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Opinion: Sen. Brown vs. KP: The truth lies in between




Over the past few weeks, there have been over 30 articles and editorials (plus countless comments on various blogs and The Sun Chronicle Web site) relating to the conflict between State Senator Scott Brown and King Philip High School. The chasm between the two points of view is amazingly deep, and which side can hold more weight depends on what story a person's point of view is molded around.

What you have heard about the conflict is most likely wrong.

Both sides have twisted the story to make themselves seem the victim or the hero. Both sides insist they were right. They were not.

We high-schoolers are not children, nor are we adults. We are old enough to be responsible for our actions, but young enough to still make stupid mistakes (though no one truly grows out of the mistake phase). We are at the age where it is normal and natural to test our limitations and explore our rights as citizens and humans. We don't always make the wisest decisions, but we look up to and respect those people (our leaders) who, in theory, do. Those people like Sen. Scott Brown.

We (I am speaking for those who formed or posted on the Facebook account that has caused this entire brouhaha) chose to exercise our freedom of speech in a perfectly legal, but possibly hurtful fashion. The end result of this decision was an eroding of our idolization of our state senator through one simple meeting. One simple mistake. No one should be "taking up arms" against each other, or we will have another war on our hands. Are not most deadly wars caused by simple miscommunications that were never righted? Before we blow this issue even further out of proportion, we need to understand what really happened and fix this problem before it gets even farther out of hand.

On Thursday, Feb. 8, Senator Scott Brown came to King Philip High School to lead a lecture about civil unions and gay marriage.

The visit was prompted by rumors that a history teacher at the school was teaching a one-sided view and threatening students with low grades if they did not agree to rise against the government.

Brown asked the school board if he could come and give a lecture about his own point of view (opposite to the teacher's), as is King Philip's custom. The school agreed, and a group of about 100 students (two junior classes and one freshman class) gathered in the school's media center. The administration attended, as well as a psychology teacher, the school's adjustment counselor, two librarians and the teacher whose classes were attending. There was no media coverage and, although they were initially invited, the Diversity Club, an ethics class, and other history classes were uninvited because of limited space.

The first misunderstanding was between Brown and the school's TV Production group. Brown implied that he believed that when a student asked if he could film the lecture to use in the school's news production, he believed him to mean a local news production, and not a school-run show. A lecture, while meaning little to Brown, is an important event to the school, and his denial of media coverage outraged many students who falsely believed it to be a calculated maneuver on Brown's part.

The timeline of the lecture has confusing to many, and has changed many times. The consensus of five students who were present is the following: Brown was 25 minutes late. He spoke for five minutes about his achievements in the community. He then passed out two packets, one containing the complete works of the Facebook group, expletives and all, the other containing a collection of emails (all against him, with a single pro) that he had received. The senders' names were blacked out. He spoke of the Facebook account for 10 minutes, reading comments verbatim, and even naming the students who wrote them.

He did not directly stop when the mediator requested him to, but he finally went back behind the podium when another teacher spoke up from the back, says junior Emily Cannon.

He then spoke of the legislative process for five minutes before he was cut off to begin the 15-minute question-and-answer session.

Now, the greatest misconception, and the reason why so many people who listen to Brown's version (he shares this same misconception) refer to us as "punks," is that we are upset at Brown's reading verbatim (including expletives) off the Facebook sheet.

That is NOT why the students are angry. We are upset and outraged that our state senator came into our school under false pretenses and degraded himself to a high school level in front of our eyes. We were not prepared for a personal attack, and therefore were unable to stand up for ourselves.

Every student in that library expected an interesting and involved debate on why gay marriage should not be allowed, and many even had questions on the topic ready.

The Facebook account was NOT a personal attack on Brown. It was created in excitement of the upcoming debate between Brown and the history teacher, and they were merely acting as a sports team, on the side of their dedicated teacher.

The outrage would be far different if the students came to school hoping for violence or to see two people physically fight, but they didn't. They came to school excited about a mature ethical debate between two highly educated men.

The Facebook Web site spoke with excitement about the upcoming "ownage" of Brown by their teacher. Ownage is not a bad word. Friends "own" other friends in video games, and it is a laughing matter. It is another word for defeat, and a goofy one at that. It should not be taken as a vulgarity or an insult.

In fact, the entire Facebook account is a laughable matter. Not only because much of the content is actually funny (there is a lengthy song written about the teacher that is well-written and clever, alluding to Bush and joking about how the student has "the IQ of a fence post"), but also because the vulgarity content has been completely exaggerated by Brown.

Out of the 26 comments published in the Facebook account, only six were directly and solely about Scott Brown or his family.

One was merely an agreement to a comment that had been posted earlier. One was actually a thought-provoking question about whether or not Brown would change his views if his daughter were a lesbian. There was nothing insulting in the question.

Out of these six comments, one directly contained one obscenity, and another was an agreement to the initial post. Two obscenities directed towards Brown and his family throughout the entire account. Considering that even Mother Teresa has been called the same obscenity, that doesn't seem like something an intelligent politician like Brown should overreact about.

His actions were especially outrageous since many of the students who posted and whose names were read aloud were not present at the assembly.

Another important misconception is that solely students sent the emails that were included in the second packet. We were not privy to who wrote the emails, but the style of writing makes it obvious that it was not a student, but in fact an adult. Considering that the emails were terrible and harsh, many of which were filled with cynical sarcasm and contained vulgarity, the Internet postings of the students severely paled in comparison.

Perhaps Brown's reaction would have been slightly more accepted if students at King Philip (and who were present at the assembly) had written the emails. Emails constitute a personal attack. They are important messages that are intended to be read by the person they are to/about.

Facebook is a conversation. Students join to converse about various subjects, one of which happened to be the anticipated debate between Brown and their teacher. For Brown to read the comments on Facebook, he is acting more as an eavesdropper than a victim of written attacks.

Most people have been in the position where they have overheard people talking about a bad quality in them. Does that person then run over to the group and angrily lecture them, quoting verbatim what each person said about them?

No.

They let it roll off their back. Not everyone can like you. And this is a normal person who is not often subject to that kind of dislike. For a politician to overreact to this overheard conversation in this fashion is going too far.

Along the same line, the email that the teacher sent to Brown and other local politicians should not be brought into the school's debate. What someone does on their own time in their own house doesn't necessarily reflect how a person speaks or behaves elsewhere.

If a person loves writing poetry at home and spends every waking minute on the weekend with a pen and paper, does she necessarily come into her science classroom and begin beautifying the feathers on the soaring wings of the birds her students are dissecting?

Again, no.

The proper response to a hateful email is to respond back to the person with an explanation of your beliefs, and an offering to hear an explanation of theirs. It is not right, and perhaps paranoid, to assume that the teacher is passing his beliefs on to his students and convincing them to rise against the government.

"It was a conflict between Mr. Ferreira and him and he took it out on us," says Cannon.

An even more improper action is to blatantly make the conflict universal, as Brown did, by stating that "there is a lot of hate being taught in our schools"

There is no hate being taught, and that comment is a disgustingly immature way of rationalizing the actions of that morning. Hate is not taught, but it can still be learned, as was proven by the reactions after Brown's appearance.

When asked if they felt as though Ferreira's views were being pushed on them, the students immediately and simultaneously answered "No. Absolutely not."

"He told us to be polite [to Brown]," says Senior Pat Jennings.

"He was pretty happy when his junior classes kept their cool and curbed their emotion," adds senior Mike Nolan.

Another action of Brown's that was met with annoyance was his insistence on knowing every student's name before they spoke. Normally, this action would not annoy anyone, but Brown's Facebook speech had put the students on the edge of paranoia, and they feared that anything they said could and would be used against them in a room of their peers. Brown's small act of polite normalcy was negated and actually turned evil by his prior actions.

Another problem is that Brown's stories continue to change. The finder of the Facebook account on the Wednesday before his speech has survived various stages from being his younger daughter, to his older daughter, to a teacher, to concerned parents and students. The truth is out there somewhere, but until Brown can keep his stories straight, only he knows.

One more interesting conundrum is Brown's interest in changing the past. He has told some sources that he would change what he did if he were to do it again. Others have him holding steadfast to his decision and refusing to change a word. Again, the truth is out there, but only Brown knows.

Many sources have mentioned that Brown apologized to the school board after the presentation, and it was assumed that he apologized for overreacting. Not so. He explained on WRKO radio that he apologized only because the lecture had not gone as he would have liked.

The main thing that bothers so many people about this entire issue is that, instead of calling students out for posting negative words about Brown on the Internet, intelligent debate may have changed our minds and had a positive instead of negative effect. It would also have been a valuable learning opportunity if he had presented a logical argument that students would have been able to debate with their own thoughts and ideas.

Instead, the childish finger-pointing and "he said that about me!" exclamations not only taught us nothing about the legislative process, but also lessened Brown in the eyes of us citizens, and his soon-to-be voters.

Unfortunately, the later acts of both Brown and two King Philip students further show the immaturity of both opposing sides.

The two King Philip girls had no right nor business to shout profanity-laced exclamations out of the car window as they drove by a jogging Brown. Nothing was accomplished. Nothing was expected to be accomplished by such a childish action. Worse, it further prompted Brown to add his own immaturity to the vat by refusing the school a simple apology.

Like the exclamations, Brown's act also accomplishes nothing except further fueling the King Philip students' and the faculty's annoyance with, and anger at, him. The girls wanted the last word, and Brown wants to be right. This simple problem has become an enormous explosion of pride and the need to be right.

No one was right.

No one will ever be right until they right this problem. I personally will view the first person who begins the apology process as a hero of maturity, an idol of which does not seem to exist at this point in time.

Brianna Chamberlain is a student at King Philip Regional High School and is a contributor to The Page. This story originally appeared in The Place on Feb. 23, 2007.

 


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The Esteemed Gentleman from Massachusetts wrote on Mar 13, 2007 12:58 AM:

" Alright JO, I'm apparently a loser (in my opinion, not yours) cause a: I just can't walk away from a good fight and have too much vacation time on my hands, b: I'm actually going to spell this out really simple, and c: I don't know why, because I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall here. First, rights -can- be taken away. If Congress amends the Constitution, and the States ratify such an amendment, it becomes law - whether it is liked or not. So let's say Congress amends the Constitution to say "All amendments made to this Constitution are hereby null and void, and the government may now repress speech, religion, press, and suspend habeas corpus and trial by jury at will" and 38 states decide to jump on board, then guess what? Your rights just vanished. So, you could petition the government in court to challenge this law (but then again, since the First Amendment is now gone, you may not even have standing to do so) but the SCOTUS would most likely come back and say "Well, under the old Bill of Rights, you'd be right! But those were repealed legally by the Congress and States, the Constitution has been legally amendend, and there is really nothing we can do about it because now there are no legal protections at the Federal level for such claims as you here present." That's how it could -legally- happen, whether you like it or not. Hell, the Congress and states could even repeal whole articles of the Constitution, such as Article III, and abolish the Surpreme Court entirely. I sincerely doubt any of this will -ever- happen, but it could legally happen if we get some real odd balls elected to Congress and the states. So I don't know what your issue is here in asserting "inalienable" rights cannot be taken away. I just told you how they could be, inalienable or not. And who ran away in a huff? I was mad at the other poster, not you. I like you -- you're fun:-) "

JO wrote on Mar 12, 2007 9:29 PM:

" So the "Esteemed" Gentleman who used the term, "dumb liberal children," in his very first posting is upset because he feels that I have attacked him personally, as all liberals are wont to do. My my aren't we sensitive? In fact I was critical of his attempt to use his education as support for his postion rather than logic. ("I am educated therefore, what I say is beyond question," is certainly a logical fallacy.) This is a criticism of his argument, not a personal attack. If I said he was a "dumb conservative adult." That would have been a personal attack. In fact he has no way of defending his position that inalienable rights can be done away with via a vote, and instead choses to run away in a huff. "

MIA - on the DL? wrote on Mar 12, 2007 8:51 PM:

" Brown is responsible for what he says & how he acts.Mandate from the school to apologize is huge.These are his friends, not like Scott they have boundaries.Scott went beyond all reason,but word is that he may not be able to confess because he's on the DL, maybe permanently.Was having a guiness with the boys and flipped-maybe exhausttion like gov's wife?Anyway after 5 weeks its not about any apology.All about the arrogance and thank you Briana for wrigting. "

The Esteemed Gentleman from Massachusetts wrote on Mar 12, 2007 7:02 PM:

" Ah, I forgot why I gave up trying to actually "debate" theory and policy with liberals. They lose, and then resort to attacking people personally because their actual ideas can't hold up. I'm glad I got a refresher course. And I shouldn't even use the term "liberal" cause the secular progressives of today do an injustice to true "liberals" like FDR, Kennedy, and Tony Blair. I'm more in line with their views politically than Democrats are today. And just so you know, Settledown, I've got both the chest and the medals that have been pinned on it. I'm confident that those accomplishments on their own are more than you've ever done for this country. But I'd only be guessing. "

Settledown wrote on Mar 12, 2007 4:47 PM:

" JO-The Ann Coulter thing was my fault..I was simply trying to make a point about blanket statements, but forgot that some of the people leaving opinons here can't read all that well. I thought the same thing about so called, "Esteemed's" degrees. Do you think he/she wants a medal or a chest to pin it on? Have a great day! "

JO wrote on Mar 12, 2007 4:27 PM:

" “Esteemed” gentleman – Wow! You went to college and have a real degree or two! I am impressed. How nice of you to allow the rest of us to post messages here. However, I don’t believe your degrees make you infallible. Inalienable rights can be taken away but not legally. If you were to pass a law that took away inalienable rights, it would be invalid. The definition of such rights is that they cannot be surrendered or taken away legally. Wasn’t that the argument justifying the American Revolution? -- the American had the right to rebel because such rights were taken away (illegally of course). And who cares what you think of Ann Coulter? "

The Esteemed Gentleman from Massachusetts wrote on Mar 12, 2007 3:26 PM:

" You're right JO. I guess my degrees in policy and law have just deluded me into thinking I'm educated and can make an argument. Thanks for setting me "straight" (oops, I mean "putting me in my place" -- wouldn't want to offend anyone). Oh, but before I go, you're still wrong. The government can take away "inalienable" rights. For example, the Congress could hold a constitutional convention, repeal the Bill of Rights, and the states could ratify their repeal. Your loss of inalienable rights would be legal then, wouldn't it? But I think I, for one, as a former Army sergeant, would take up Jefferson's argument of overthrowing the government by force, which is also currently illegal. How about that?! Jefferson said we have the right to overthrow the government by force if necessary, but the SCOTUS has ruled we did not have that right in the 1950s. According to your argument though, anything Jefferson said in the Declaration must be legal and an "inalienable" right. However, the Declaration of Independence isn't law, rather just a statement of opinion -- a pretty good one, mind you, but not legally binding. You do know that, right? Also, bans on interracial marriage were struck down in 1968 (if my memory of year serves me correctly - it's been awhile since I took a ConLaw course). There is a fine line, however, in the Supreme Court saying a law violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and a state court saying "Hey Legislature - make our opinion a law" -- although again, it is a very fine line. PS: Institutions are important, and rights are subjective to the times, if the "liberal" argument of a "living constitution" is to be accepted. And for future reference to everyone, I'm more of an Irving Kristol type, oppose a Federal ban on gay marriage, and I hate Ann Coulter;-) "

Don wrote on Mar 12, 2007 1:59 PM:

" Agreed Settledown - don't waste effort on Dan K. "

Settledown wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:57 PM:

" Dan K--Calling you a bigot isn't a name...it is a way to describe your belief system. I just saw your post on immigration. I never said that a ruling was an amendment but that's beside the point. Your views are the views of a bigot, whether you like it or not...maybe you should re-read some of your own posts. Thanks "

dan k. wrote on Mar 12, 2007 11:51 AM:

" To Brianna: Thank you for great letter. I commend you for your writing talent and bravery in speaking up. I chose "dimwit" and knucklehead" just because they are laughable and cartoonish insults. I used them to juxtapose the names I've been called. I wasn't defending myself by using these words, I was getting my opponents overly emotional to show thier true colors. You are right about blanket statements, in debate, they paint you into a corner "

JO wrote on Mar 12, 2007 10:45 AM:

" "Esteemed" gentleman -- You may delude yourself into thinking that your case has been proven but I think not. Just because citizens can vote on some issues does not mean that we can vote on everything. Some rights are inalienable -- they cannot be taken away by the government or voters without violating our Constitution. You seem to suggest that anything we vote for can become the law. As long as the Constitution stands, this is not the case. We can’t vote, for instance, that members of different races cannot marry. This was once the law in certain states and is no longer. Was this put to a vote? According to your argument, the judges who abolished this law overstepped their authority. Your position that accepting any regulation of marriage you must accept total regulation is absurd. It is perfectly rational to recognize that some aspects of marriage can be voted on but not the areas that relate to our basic rights. Of course, you are among those like the current administration who wish to reduce our rights by believing that marriage is not a right (neither is privacy, etc. etc.). People have the right to pursue happiness (recognize that phrase?) and that equal treatment of consenting adults regarding marriage is certainly included. "

to Joe K. --- wrote on Mar 12, 2007 10:39 AM:

" ditto from here - the lights are on "

Joe K. wrote on Mar 12, 2007 9:18 AM:

" The more people I talk to - outside of this blog, the more I'm convinced Brown will pay a political price for his actions. "

Just say yes! wrote on Mar 12, 2007 8:33 AM:

" Every time I think that the Spirit of America has freed herself from the shackles of discrimination against others based on race or sex or ethnic background or religion or political affiliation or economic status or any number of perceived “threats,” yet another tsunami forms and this one approaches with the aggregate fury of all fear-based intolerances that have ever rolled before. Signaled almost 20 years ago with the propaganda that “you’re either with us or against us,” its momentum grew while it feasted on our collective remnants of fear, doubt, greed, envy, and indifference. Calling oneself “esteemed” while employing the term ‘dumb liberal children’ pretty much exemplifies a delusional state of mind, having embraced a platform with no compass, no direction, and bankrupt vision. And it paves the way to self-destruction. Remember, radical elders were the ones who liberated 12 year old girls from the marriage pool, where once upon a time in America they had no voice, no education, and certainly no representation. That Brianna has the capability, willingness, public education, and freedom to articulate in a forum managed by emancipated adults is a glorious example of what our Founding Fathers could only conceptualize. America’s task has been to endorse our Constitution throughout changes in awareness, form, and structure. While all gains have been fraught with struggle, we’ve arrived at a precipice where the choice between a golden age of freedom and a permanent condition of war rests with whether we commit to controlling our-selves or we let the dominator virus consume us all. We’ve come too far to take this “gentleman’s” koolaid --- or Brown’s distemper --- so let’s just say yes to ‘liberty and justice for all.’ "

The Esteemed Gentleman from Massachusetts wrote on Mar 12, 2007 3:17 AM:

" JO proves my point for me, namely that government can and indeed does regulate marriage, and for good reason in most cases! My point was that government has the power to do so in the first place, and that marriage isn't some fundamental "right." As far as I am concerned, the state could pass laws saying "No legal unions of any type will be recognized by the state henceforth." I wouldn't support it, but the state doesn't have to give us any special legal privileges if it doesn't want to. The question is then asked of me if I have any "logical" reasons as to why gay-marriage should be banned. If JO had read my post in full, they would have read I had no issue with gay-marriage. I believe that if two people want to enter into a contract with eachother of their own free will, they should be free to do so. The only reason I would continue opposition to gay-marriage currently is because 4 judges accountable to no one decided to legislate from the Bench. As a up-and-coming political scientist, I feel the Court overstepped its institutional boundries in performing the functions of the Legislature, even though I have no real issue with their opinion that gays should be allowed to marry. I would rather see the issue legislated in the General Court, its proper place. The Courts were created to interpret law, not create it. I believe that if proponents of gay-marriage wish to have it legal, they should go out and convince people they are right, instead of subverting the law-making branch of government. Considering Massachusetts is the most liberal state in the nation, it shouldn't be that hard. Ultimately, however, this issue will stay in the Courts, and will eventually end up in the Supreme Court. Why? See Article IV and the Full Faith & Credit Clause of the Constitution. The issue at hand? Do states have to recognize same-sex unions performed in Massachusetts (as they recognize other licenses, such as drivers licenses, birth cirtificates, etc)? Can we say "Constitutional Crisis" boys and girls? "

Brianna wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:20 AM:

" Some of these postings have been surprising in their harshness. This is a hot topic, yes. There are still homophobes and racists. Just because someone doesn’t agree with gay marriage, however, doesn’t mean they’re homophobic. Perhaps this is true in Dan K’s case, or perhaps not. It’s not for us to judge. Dan K may have a good argument, and if he was gay would it change its impact? It shouldn’t, so what does it matter? Instead of ganging up against certain people, a healthy debate would consist of poking holes in his argument so he can make it stronger. I do, however, think that Dan K should relax. The tone is a little sharp for a debate, don't you think? Dimwit…knucklehead? Aren’t those names 8-year-olds call each other? Instead of defending yourself with name-calling, defend yourself with a strong argument, and openness to challenge. Also, some of you who had an issue with my article are fixated on my age. Yes, I'm a teenager and a senior at KP. That shouldn't matter. If you liked my article, I’m glad. If you didn’t, I hope it’s for the logical reason that I’m a terrible writer/logician! Maybe you’re either biased against me because I go to the troublesome KP, or you’re biased towards me because I’m young and should be “protected” from nasty comments. I wrote this article expecting some controversy. No matter how skilled any argument is, there’ll always be people telling you you’re wrong. In response to “The Esteemed Gentleman,” I’d like to point out that I’m one of your “dumb liberal children,” and I don’t appreciate being called such by someone who doesn’t know me. You universalize a few bad experiences with teenage bloggers and add your embarrassment about your own teenage years. I can proudly say that I’m not embarrassed in the least about who I am, nor do I think I ever will be. I don’t drink, smoke, or even swear. And I’m not the only one. I’d like to get to know you so you could get to know me. Then you may realize that nothing can be universalized. "

JO wrote on Mar 11, 2007 6:42 PM:

" Esteemed Gentleman, the marriages you describe are banned for logical reasons -- 15 year olds have not reached the age of consent (they can marry other 15 year olds either let alone 30 year olds) and marriages between close relatives have genetic consequences. What is the logical reason that same sex marriages should be banned? We have had them in this state for a few years and I have not seen a single negative consequence. In fact, equal treatment for same sex couples in monogamous relationships seems to benefit the commonwealth in the same way heterosexual marriage does. "

The Esteemed Gentleman from Massachusetts wrote on Mar 11, 2007 4:35 PM:

" 1. Despite what pro-gay marriage forces may want to believe, marriage is not necessarily some fundamental right that state cannot control and regulate. For example, the state prohibits 30 year olds from marrying 15 year olds. It also prohibits the union of family members. Ask any liberal if they think that type of regulation is acceptable, and they will say yes. As soon as they do they lose their "fundamental rights" argument. Instead, gay-marriage is a policy choice they can't achieve via democratic means, so they get like minded judges to legislate law for them. I've got no issue with gay marriage -- absolutely none -- but let's call a spade a spade here people. Stop hiding behind the "civil rights" mantra already. Gay people are allowed to marry anyone they want, so long as they are of a different gender, not of the same family, and not a minor. Deal with it. 2. Blogs and pages like this are the reason the Founding Fathers didn't give us the right to vote for anything but the House in 1788. We're all a bunch of dumb hacks with a mere fraction of their intelligence (flaws and all). And we prove it every day. 3. The students are cry-babies. I wouldn't have called them out personally, but I have no problems with Brown doing so. In fact, as soon as I found out that he did, I decided to vote for him again come 2008. It's about time someone stuck it to dumb liberal children -- who more often than we in the blogosphere sound off as though they are so enlightened, innocent and pious. To hell with that. If I could go back 10 years to see myself as a high school kid, I'd kick my own butt on the spot, and I'd be better for it, too. 4. The user "Deploy Brown to Iraq" should watch what he says. Wishing people to war zones isn't nice, and as my sister likes to say, "Karma is a who*e with herpes." "

Joe wrote on Mar 11, 2007 4:03 PM:

" We'll get Brown out, just a matter of time. Spamalot - thanks for reminding the bigots that letting "The People" vote on matters of civil liberties is just wrong - how soon we forget how African Americans were treated throughout history. "

His choice wrote on Mar 10, 2007 10:11 PM:

" This lame creature basks in the glory of picking who he will send to Iraq to kill. We can't put that to a vote, can we? At home this lame creature decides 'tis better to vote on who some may love and marry, for the court's interpretation wasn't right for him. For his final conquest, he chose to demean children in school rather than pull this stunt at a Lions Club or similar forum. How I wish this was an election year! "

dan k. wrote on Mar 10, 2007 6:37 PM:

" To J: I'll quickly address your post. I said "AS hateful language". Settledown proved himself a dimwit by not knowing the difference between a ruling and an amendment.(I'm lucky I didn't call him a knucklehead.) The SJC effectively redefined an English word. You say you find it offensive that I think that I have the right to change the Constitution. Of course I have that right, and so does every citizen, the changes are called amendments and you may find it shocking, but the citizens of this country have amended the United States Constitution 27 times! To Aaliyah: If you are using the proper English definition of gay, meaning to be happy, well, chatting with you people makes me gay, even though you seem not to like me....Isn't that quee...odd. "

Spamalot wrote on Mar 10, 2007 5:00 PM:

" In the 1920's, the good citizens of Georgia were given the right to vote on a ballot initiative to amend the state constitution on a matter of civil rights. They voted 78% to 22% to ban interracial marriages. That amendment stood until struck down by the US Supreme Court in 1968 as a violation of the 14th amendment. Allowing voters to vote on civil rights, no matter how democratic it may sound, can and will allow discrimination to be voted into the constitution. Does anyone here want to tell Caucasians and African-Americans that, because of some folks prejudices, they should be allowed to get married, either? Then why put the gay community through that when, for nearly three years, they have quietly and with no threat to anyone else, married and shared their lives with one another peacefully? "

Such a user wrote on Mar 10, 2007 2:26 AM:

" Brown detests teachers unions. Yet he has no compunction about visiting scores of public school classrooms over the past year hyping his daughter and passing out her pictures.Talk about a user! Behind the scenes, he and his inner sanctum of collaborators would do anything to have the power to dictate curriculum, and eliminate any teaching professional that inspires spirited thinking and compassion for ALL members of society, however small their numbers may be. There was much more to his planned attack at KP than most people know. "

LD wrote on Mar 9, 2007 1:03 PM:

" DanK should read what he writes....he is totally contradicting. "

Settledown wrote on Mar 9, 2007 12:36 PM:

" Dan, you haven't given us anything to debate. You make short statements that make NO SENSE at all, and then you hurl insults at people who are clearly your intellectual superiors. You blame the teachers union? I find that so ironic considering you probably wouldn't last a day in the classroom. I am a teacher and my father works for the government. He started out teaching and to this day counts those as the most challenging of his life. So please, sell your crazy somewhere else... "

Aaliyah wrote on Mar 9, 2007 12:04 AM:

" Dan K, well now after reading your responses, it is quite apparent, any issue about gays gets you upset. It’s very clear, you’re either gay yourself or have a close family member that is and either way, you can’t deal with it. Your anger speaks volumes. "

J wrote on Mar 8, 2007 8:49 PM:

" dan k: You just stated you haven't used "hateful language" in describing others yet if you scroll down I see you calling "Settledown" a dimwit without knowing him/her. You say it because this individual does not agree with you. Without sounding hateful, you seem as arrogant as Scott Brown. You are also very good at twisting words. Unfortunately, you are not as good at understanding them. The SJC did not legislate. They were asked to interpret the law and they did. The law I speak of was written by our forefathers in the Constitution. You, sir, are asking for the right to change the Constitution. I find it offensive that, like Scott Brown, you think you have the right to change this historical document. Step away from this issue. You are apparently not a leader and with a few short blog entries have proven yourself certifiably nauseating! "

Joey L. wrote on Mar 8, 2007 8:31 PM:

" Dan - Glad you agree that following the law isn't always the right thing to do. What Rosa Parks did and what we are fighting for is THE SAME THING. One day science will isolate a "gay gene," as they will a gene for black skin. Until then, we'll keep fighting ignorant people - and we won't stop so get used to it. "

dan k. wrote on Mar 8, 2007 6:41 PM:

" To Aaliyah: I happen to be the foremost authority on my opinion. Not you. My words are what they are. You may read into them what you will. Do you disagree that lawmaking procedure should be followed when changing the law? As for Joey L.: No, of course not, what she did was brilliant. Civil rights is totally different than the homosexual marriage issue. By the way, you fine folks say I preach hate and bigotry. I have never used such hateful language as you in describing me or Senator Brown. So look in the mirror, that's who is using hateful words. What's the matter, can't handle diversity of opinion? It's fun to see you all get your panties in a bunch, but hardly any of you can provide intellegent debate. I blame the teachers union. Ha! "

Settledown wrote on Mar 8, 2007 6:22 PM:

" If the supreme court of MA decides that it should be a law, that's plenty good enough for me. I don't really trust people not to vote their prejudices like you, Dan K. Give me a break. Calling me a dimwit makes you look 10 times as stupid...your rants have nothing to do with the issue of this girl's article. Man up and admit that you hate gays and be done with it. I hope your kids aren't gay. I would feel so bad for them. Ps. Ends don't justify the means makes not sense here...thanks though. "

Aaliyah wrote on Mar 8, 2007 5:16 PM:

" Dan K, I’ve read your posts on many of the Sun’s blogs relating to same sex marriage. It’s quite obvious that your issue isn’t over “let the people vote”, your issue is that you just hate gay people – just admit it, you’re a bigot covering yourself with patriotic cloth. "

Joey K. wrote on Mar 8, 2007 4:28 PM:

" To Settledown - you are right on! Ignore the rants of the ignorant and bigoted. "

Joey L. wrote on Mar 8, 2007 4:27 PM:

" Dan K. Would you have wanted Rosa Parks to give up her seat to a white person, or are you glad she broke the law and was arrested to prove her point? Get with it, the law was made to be challenged. It will continue to be tested and it WILL evolve over time, especially when it comes to issues of civil liberties. WAKE UP the world is changing. "

dan k. wrote on Mar 8, 2007 2:45 PM:

" To Settledown, you are proving yourself a dimwit. The law IS what matters, no matter the issue. I don't care if homosexuals can marry, it is up to the citizens to vote on it. It is just that you can't subvert the law for your own reason. The ends DO NOT justify the means. Don't you get it??? You can't steal my car to feed the homeless and you can't take away the rights of the voters to set policy just because a self proclaimed minority group wants to, or that they can't garner enough public support to change the law. No matter what the issue is,( say,flouride in NA) educate the voters to your side and VOTE on it. "

Settledown wrote on Mar 8, 2007 2:05 PM:

" Dan K: Why do you care if gay men and women get married? If you aren't gay then it shouldn't matter to you because you aren't going to have need for the amendment. So why do you care? Are you afraid of gay people? Instead of hiding behind "the law" why don't you be honest and say, "I'm afraid of gay people, or I think it's catching." There's nothing in that amendment that says that 3 people can get married. Give us all a break. If you don't like it, there are plenty of red states that espouse your ideas. Sheesh. "

Donna wrote on Mar 8, 2007 2:04 PM:

" You know what Dan, I pay taxes too, and I'm not pleased that MY TAX DOLLARS allow bigots to marry and procreate, only to repeat the cycle of hate. "

Joey K. wrote on Mar 8, 2007 1:58 PM:

" To Showing the separatist logic - Awesome response! The law states that gays can marry in Mass, and folks like "Dan K." just can't accept that - it doesn't matter what legislators think - the Supreme Court made the final ruling because lawmakers didn't do their job and didn't get it right. The courts took over, made a decision, got it right, so let's all get over it. "

dan k. wrote on Mar 8, 2007 10:36 AM:

" To Showing the separatist logic: Please read the law. We the people decide what criteria qualifies a couple for a marriage license. State marriage and the corresponding special considerations tie these unions to MY tax dollars, so I get a vote. If you want, just change it through the LEGISLATURE, NOT the SJC, whose stance of "EQUALITY" would allow a willing father and daughter to get married. Hey, why not? Age of consent...Forget it. Three people getting married... Now we're talkin'. Oh, What a wonderful world. "

Marc wrote on Mar 8, 2007 9:24 AM:

" Brown is such a big baby, plain and simple.. we dont need this type of person representing us. PERIOD! "

Maddog wrote on Mar 8, 2007 9:19 AM:

" I just came upon this by chasing headlines, and in a breif 5 minutes I have been truly informed by a consise and superbly written article about a subject completely unknown to me. The maturity and clarity of the writings leads me to change my thoughts about the level of education and thoughtfulness of today's youth. You should and will be commended by your actions. Our elected officials and public servants all will be taking a lesson from this. Thank you. "

Showing the separatist logic wrote on Mar 8, 2007 9:14 AM:

" Clearly, Brown intentionally intimidated minor children during his name and blame attack in the school. My great-grandparents witnessed this in America when the Bible was used to justify slavery, to justify beating children, to justify keeping wives as chattel, to justify 12-hour sweatshop labor for kids as well as adults, to justify barring women from voting, to justify barring blacks from schools and busses, and the list goes on and on and on. Today, the same bigotry that existed when debating whether blacks or women or children were somehow less than free white men is the basis for justifying that those who reveal their gender preferences and wish to be treated equally in their partnerships are faced with the same bigoted logic as that espoused by Brown. Brown is inherently flawed and so blinded by bias that he cannot tolerate diplomatic, scholarly discussion on whether homosexuals are entitled to equal treatment under the law, and his logic is no different than that employed by those who likewise defended maltreatment of other humans in years past. One aspect of the big picture I find poignant to his assault on kids is that a mere 6 days in Iraq costs as much as the $15 billion axed from student loans that will jeopardize college enrollment for thousands of American children. He had the audacity to upset the very children who he expects to pay off the debts from battling a country that has not threatened our borders, and hindsight will ultimately show the cost and waste for his pitiful agenda. Brown is drawing multiple incomes from taxpayers in his pursuit against gay rights, and we must remember that we, the people, paid for his performance at King Philip in dollars as well as distress. It is time to move on and cultivate character in our culture instead of pursuing excuses that justify separate treatment under the law. "

JQ wrote on Mar 7, 2007 4:34 PM:

" Well written Brianna you are much more grown up than alot of people posting there comments on this blog. "

Joe K. wrote on Mar 7, 2007 4:04 PM:

" I agree, Brown needs replaced - ego and bigotry should be run out of politics. He's supposed to be serving us, he serves himself. "

Spamalot wrote on Mar 7, 2007 3:55 PM:

" Erick: Too bad you didn't read my comment properly. The teacher in question didn't utter a slur about the senator - he commented on the senator's PUBLIC VOTE on the anti-gay marriage amendment. Commenting on a public official's voting record and his public policy positions IS very much protected speech and, in fact, germane to a history/social studies classroom. Had the teacher sworn in front of their classes, they'd have been given the heave-ho long ago. Perhaps the real issue here is that the senator isn't comfortable with citizens focusing on his voting record on this controversial subject? After all, who really wants to take responsibility for voting in favour of prejudice? "

find a replacement wrote on Mar 7, 2007 3:40 PM:

" You're so right about Brown's stories always changing. Whether its about how he found out about the kids chatroom, or the way he keeps using the word "Finalist" when it comes to last year's contestants, he lies. According to AI, the 12 remaining are called "Finalists." So his daughter never was and never will be a "Finalist." But he wants headlines, and will do whatever and say whatever to get them.That settled, lets move forward and find a good candidate to replace him! "

Erick wrote on Mar 7, 2007 2:46 PM:

" Spamalot: WRONG!! What are you talking about??? Try to call your boss a nasty slur and see if you don't lose your job? You are out of touch with reality. Perhaps you are a teacher. John Sader you are right. Teachers are SUPPOSED to be paid to TEACH! They represent the school and all of the other teachers. They can have thier free speech outside the job setting.....like everyone else. "

Deploy Brown to Iraq wrote on Mar 7, 2007 1:06 PM:

" Brown must be deployed immediately to Iraq. Let's see this tough guy straighten out the mess he and his straight, right, narrow platform have gotten us into. P.S. First he "says" that two teenage girls yelled the 'F' word our the window at him while he was jogging. Now we hear the story that kids gave him the finger while he was riding his bike. As with all Brown stories, they all come from him, they all have no witnesses, and they all change. Liar! "

John wrote on Mar 7, 2007 12:04 PM:

" Brown's comments were bigot-like and he deserved the tongue lashing the students gave him. "

talk about thin-skinned wrote on Mar 7, 2007 11:36 AM:

" It is obvious that we will always have a certain number of lemmings rushing off the cliff after their stupid leader. Everything about Brown's attack - from his ammunition to his battlefield - was premeditated, unconscionable, and indefensible. Does the public know that the so-called threats to his family entailed a boy writing that Brown's daughter was "hot?" Sure - Brown wanted more than anything to hear the America Idol judges call his daughter "hot." But, as a compliment from an adolescent attending (god forbid), a public high school? Whoa - shut it down, man, shut it down! How about the other "attack" ... an adolescent musing over the big question even our vice president Cheney has dealt with...a simple question on whether Brown would love his daughter less if she were a lesbian? Give me a break! We're talking Brown bigotry at its best, and if this was grounds to assail and insult high school kids I don't want this idiot making any grown-up decisions on my behalf. He is out of his mind, unable to prioritize, and needs to get out of the public arena. Speaking of which, the kids committed no crimes...they chatted their feelings, opinions, and ideas. Even if they had "verbally attacked" Brown, that has always been one price for being a public figure and since Brown is so thin-skinned and can't take the flack-chat he ought to bow out of the headlines. "

the objective truth wrote on Mar 7, 2007 10:44 AM:

" Thank you-the Truth is out there. Brown is nothing but a cyber-voyeur who invaded a kids chat room that is not funded by the school and the kids contribute on their own time so where the h*** did Brown get the right to invade the school and abuse the students? Brown is out of control, he has lost his local support, and I look forward to electing a bright, young, un-bigoted, non-celebrity seeking human being as our next state senator. "

Appreciate the article wrote on Mar 7, 2007 10:39 AM:

" Excellent article! This was a premediated blitz by Brown. He didn't want the cameras to roll because he is so used to operating behind the scenes when it comes to attacks like this. Several years ago he looked like a fool telling 6th graders at their D.A.R.E. graduation that he took drugs as a teenager and turned out fine...so what was the stupid message then? "

Spamalot wrote on Mar 7, 2007 10:30 AM:

" So, then, Mr. Sader, you would be willing to sacrifice your job if someone disagreed with an opinion you expressed where you work? Calling for the firing of the teacher for simply expressing his opinion is not only a violation of the First Amendment that allows you to post such a ridiculous notion, it also protects you from losing your job for a similar situation. Try and remember that. "

Jake wrote on Mar 7, 2007 10:10 AM:

" Brown was, is and will always be wrong for what he did. The only course of action is to vote him out of office as soon as we can. "

Settledown wrote on Mar 7, 2007 9:03 AM:

" The three of you should be ashamed. It takes guts to write what this girl wrote and take responsibility. Why don't you pick on someone your own AGE! "

Kevin Hines wrote on Mar 7, 2007 9:02 AM:

" That said, Hooray for you for stating your opinions. "

LD wrote on Mar 7, 2007 8:57 AM:

" Talking about someone to other people and others overhearing is NOT the same as posting it on the web for all the world to see. Kids need to realize that. It seems like they are making excuses for their mistake and trying to get out of the lashing they so deserved by Sen Brown. "

John Sader wrote on Mar 6, 2007 9:40 PM:

" Ah, revisionist rhetoric. A good way for the students to cover their tails. Good for Sen. Brown. Keep up the good work. Eavesdropping on stuff on the WEB, give me a break. The teacher should be fired. "

jgal wrote on Mar 6, 2007 9:02 PM:

" enough already!!!!!! "

Kevin Hines wrote on Mar 6, 2007 3:55 PM:

" This article is poorly written, rambling, twaddle. It is also naive, and ignorant. Check out this brilliant exerpt:"Are not most deadly wars caused by simple miscommunications that were never righted?" Or even better:"Ownage is not a bad word. Friends "own" other friends in video games, and it is a laughing matter. It is another word for defeat, and a goofy one at that. It should not be taken as a vulgarity or an insult." Tell that to the decendants of the slaves. Politics is all about being responsible for what you say. Ask John Kerry. "


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