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Gay marriage ban still faces hard slog ahead




An announcement by new Senate President Therese Murray that she will allow a vote on a ban on gay marriage, is far from a guarantee that the proposed constitution amendment will pass, local legislators said Friday.

The lawmakers said they are pleased Murray will not use parliamentary procedures to block a vote, even though she's an opponent of the ban.

But, they said months of "hardball" politics stand in the way of passage.

The measure is an initiative petition brought forth by a citizens group, so it only needs the approval of 25 percent of legislators in two consecutive constitutional conventions.

It would then go before voters in a referendum. The amendment passed it first hurdle in January when it won narrow approval. Another affirmative vote would be needed this year to get it on the 2008 ballot.

Twenty-five percent would seem to be a low threshold to get over, but supporters of the ban said backing for the proposal has been slipping.

There are 200 members of the state Senate and House combined. The measure got 62 votes in January, 12 more than needed.

Since that time, several supporters have left office and have been replaced by opponents of the ban.

State Rep. Richard Ross, R-Wrentham, said he was glad that Murray would allow a vote. As Senate president, Murray would be the presiding officer at the constitutional convention.

Ross said Murray may have opposed a ban on gay marriage when she was a rank and file senator and wanted to adjourn the constitutional convention without voting, but as Senate president she has to take a broader view.

"I think she is doing her job as Senate president," he said.

State Rep. Betty Poirier, R-North Attleboro, predicted that legislative leaders would not hold another constitutional convention until they are sure they have enough votes to defeat the amendment.

"I'm not optimistic at all," she said. "I don't hold out a lot of hope."

She said another possibility is that if opponents fear they do not have the votes to win, they will boycott the session so there is not enough legislators present to reach a quorum, thereby cancelling the session. But, state Rep. John Lepper, R-Attleboro, said just the fact that Murray is committed to allowing a vote is a victory for the initiative process.

Previously, the Legislature has tried to avoid votes by adjourning sessions before the matter could be raised.

All that changed last year when the state Supreme Judicial Court ruled that the Legislature had an obligation to vote, he said.

Lepper said if his side loses because of "arm twisting and cajoling" by the other side, he can live with that because that is the way politics sometimes works.

"There are going to be all kinds of efforts to change people's votes. We're in the Massachusetts Legislature. Hardball politics goes on all the time," he said.

What he could not abide, he said, is "blowing up the constitutional process" by not holding a vote.

"It's definitely possible we could lose the vote, but at least we're going to have a vote. That means there is hope," he said.

 


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Java wrote on Mar 24, 2007 6:46 PM:

" Ross goes with the wind. He's no leader. "

Aaliyah wrote on Mar 24, 2007 4:03 PM:

" I can not believe this is still going on, if gay couples want to marry, let them. No one, not our legislators, the people of Massachusetts or anyone outside our state should be voting on civil rights – period. What year is this? Haven’t we learned from the past? Married people are happier, look at the facts; Massachusetts has the “lowest” divorce rate in the country and since gay couples have been able to marry, it’s gone down even further - that's a fact! "

PAUL wrote on Mar 24, 2007 1:13 PM:

" LET THERESE VOTE! "

Justin wrote on Mar 24, 2007 12:09 PM:

" A few years ago I signed the petition that is seeking to amend the Constitution to define marriage as the union between a man and a woman, I was a staunch supporter. I wrote to my elected officials, Poirier, Lepper and Brown, and asked them to support it too. A lot has changed in my life since then. Mainly, I met and fell in love with a girl. I believe that in every person’s life there is a person that helps change the way he or she looks at life. In my case, she is that person. Until we met I didn’t know what it was like to love somebody or to be loved. Now that I know (and it’s such a great feeling), I want to be with her for as long as possible. If I was told that I wasn’t allowed to be with her, for any reason, I would be devastated. When I signed that petition, I wasn’t thinking about that because I didn’t know what love felt like at the time. Now that I do know, I regret my actions. I’m now sorry that I signed that petition. And while I can’t go back and change the past, I can make a difference in the future. What I have learned from all this is to keep an open mind about things. It’s easy to pass judgment; the hard part is accepting. I hope Poirier, Lepper and Brown realize they too made a mistake in judgment. "

Donna wrote on Mar 24, 2007 11:07 AM:

" I can't believe that Lepper, Ross and Poirier are touting the legislative process as their motive for pushing forward nothing more than a personal, religious and hateful agenda. They all have a history of manipulating the legislative process so that issues they deem important will get passed. Make no mistake, their charlatanry behavior is obvious to most and only the weak minded believe or choose to believe them. If the shoe was on the other foot, they would be stalling the legislative process just the same. Look at what they did with the health care bill the same day they voted to push this hateful amendment through. They voted to adjourn on that issue effectively killing the measure. They are nothing but hypocrites!!! "

Sick in Attleboro wrote on Mar 24, 2007 10:27 AM:

" It totally sickens me that I have representatives like Lepper and Poirier representing me, they are both hateful, insensitive bigoted people. Someday, history WILL show that the people who voted for this amendment, were equal to those who voted for segregation back in its day. SHAME ON THEM, SHAME ON THEM! "

rich d wrote on Mar 24, 2007 9:31 AM:

" mob rule never upheld the constitution. the supreme court did.Ross, Lepper and Poirier are just the latest incarnation of supremacists, having lost the battle of slavery and other equal rights. none should cast stones "

Jack wrote on Mar 24, 2007 6:38 AM:

" Let's not forget that the hateful amendment has its origins right here in Southern Mass - thanks Reps Poirier and Lepper for your "leadership." One day history will expose you both for your ignornace and intolerance - keep your "religious views" to yourself. "

Don wrote on Mar 24, 2007 6:26 AM:

" Murray's election is GREAT news for Massachusetts! Poirier needs to be worried as her years of instilling hate-monger tactics are on the line. "


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