Legislators: Voter anger may lead to end of income tax
BY JIM HAND SUN CHRONICLE STAFF
Friday, June 13, 2008 1:20 AM EDT
A weak economy, soaring gasoline prices and a frustration with government could cause voters to approve a ballot initiative to wipe out the state income tax, legislators said Thursday.
The legislators said they think the move is too drastic and would cripple state services, but believe voters are looking for a way to lower their costs and lash out at government.
"I think people are frustrated and are looking at a way of expressing it," said state Rep. John Lepper, R-Attleboro.
State Rep. Betty Poirier, R-North Attleboro, agreed.
"There is a great deal of frustration out there regarding the cost of everything going up," she said. "I have constituents who say they cannot afford the gas to get to work. I would not be surprised if it passed."
A group calling itself Committee for Smaller Government is sponsoring the move and has collected enough signatures to get it on the November ballot.
If passed, it would end the state income tax, which accounts for $11 billion, or almost 40 percent of state revenue.
"We want to save the people and the businesses of Massachusetts from economic ruin caused by high taxes and big government," said Carla Howell, leader of the group.
"We want low taxes to attract business, jobs and talent into the state, rather than allowing high taxes to drive them out of state. We want taxpayers to get back an average or $3,600 every year to save, spend, or give away as they see fit," she said. "With more tax dollars back in the hands of the workers who earned it, people in need will have a real chance to better their lives through private charity that is effective, dignified and humane."
A number of groups and individuals have lined up against the measure, including social services advocates, legislative leaders and the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation.
Even lawmakers who traditionally advocate for lower taxes, such as Lepper, say they oppose the measure as too extreme.
Lepper said service for the disabled would "disappear" and other services would be greatly scaled back.
Poirier said cities and towns are hurting now with tight budgets, but the current situation is nothing compared to what would happen if the income tax was eliminated.
"Can you image a 40 percent cut?" Poirier said. "I advocate for judicious cuts, but not with reckless abandon."
Howell said she wants state government to cut the entire 40 percent if the measure passes, and not replace the income tax with increases in other taxes.
"Politicians like to threaten to cut services people care most about so they can distract attention away from the pork, waste and sweetheart deals that they dish out to their special interest friends. But ending the income tax will force the legislature to cut the waste, which is why they oppose it so fiercely," she said.
Rep. Richard Ross, R-Wrentham, said the cuts advocated by Howell would be "disastrous."
He said he would favor reasonable cuts in waste and taxes.
Both Ross and Poirier said voter anger might not be as great if the state kept its promise from years ago and lowered the income tax rate to 5 percent. It is now 5.3 percent.
They also said state government has to take steps to earn the trust of voters.
In the meantime, legislators said the ballot initiative has an excellent chance of passing, considering a similar proposal got 45 percent of the vote in 2002.
Poirier said voters feel there is nothing they can do to lower gasoline or food costs and may see wiping out the income tax as the only step they can take to save themselves money.
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wnettles wrote on Jun 22, 2008 10:38 PM:
realist wrote on Jun 13, 2008 2:52 PM:
Spamalot01 wrote on Jun 13, 2008 1:49 PM:
Spamalot01 wrote on Jun 13, 2008 1:39 PM:
kevin h. wrote on Jun 13, 2008 1:04 PM:
clb123 wrote on Jun 13, 2008 12:30 PM:
32% goes to Health Care, and the vast majority of that is spent on the federal medicaid program. Two Thirds of those resources are used by people 65 and older. The federal government has been contributing less to its programs, so states make up the difference.
22% goes to public education for local schools and public higher ed.
So that's a little over half (54%) of the budget right there.
17% goes to human services (things like DSS)
12% goes to debt service for things like raod and bridge costs and pensions
8% goes to public safety (police, prisons, prosecutors)
4% goes to local aid for cities and towns for local services such as local police and fire
4% goes to other things like housing and transportation
and
1% goes to protecting water and air quality and the maintenence of parks
Also of note: Full time state employees get a pension, but they do not get social security. Even if they work in the private sector during their lifetime, their SS benefit is reduced by the amount of their pension. "
clb123 wrote on Jun 13, 2008 12:11 PM:
realist wrote on Jun 13, 2008 11:39 AM:
realist wrote on Jun 13, 2008 11:29 AM:
The right to petition and the ballot initiative was instituted in the very early days of the Commonwealth to prevent legislatures and governors from conspiring to ignore the will of the people. The result was Article XLVIII (as amended).
Unfortunately, if activist judges appointed by the governor refuse to hear cases of the abuses of power, we are stuck in our one party-state form of tyranny.
Please tell me how wanting the peoples' representatives to represent the people is narrow-minded? We elect our reps and senators not to parrot our voices but to combine the will of the people with the elected officials' judgment and wisdom. It seems we have ended up with neither. "
Spamalot01 wrote on Jun 13, 2008 11:14 AM:
Spamalot01 wrote on Jun 13, 2008 11:07 AM:
Realist wrote on Jun 13, 2008 8:56 AM:
Now it's the legislature. They do not vote the way their constituents want. Local reps and senators ignore the will of the people (tax roll backs, anti-gay marriage, etc) and get elected because they come up with a proclamation for every silly event and minor accomplishment or they will call someone in state bureaucracy for someone with a complaint, so everyone keeps voting for their "guy". They then keep the jobs until pensions kick in.
The next ballot initiative should be to remove pension benefits from elected officials. Make them contribute to 401(k) and IRAs like the rest of us. That will accomplish one thing that some people want, term limits.
Of course, I don't know why I'm excited that this might pass. The legislature will either ignore it or institute a Canadian style GST. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_and_Services_Tax_(Canada) "
dandydon wrote on Jun 13, 2008 8:32 AM:
socal1 wrote on Jun 13, 2008 6:45 AM: