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Thank you for putting spotlight on issue




ALTo the editor:

I want to thank The Sun Chronicle, Editor Mike Kirby and your talented interns, especially Tiffany Stanley, for a fine piece of journalism in the series on GLBT rights. It is timely and necessary, even if some people don’t want to hear about the way the culture, even here in Attleboro and even North Attleboro, is changing.

Newspapers make us think. Thanks for trusting your readers and challenging readers to think and reflect on the unnecessary suffering and difficulties placed on GLBT.

Gretchen Robinson

Attleboro Put hatred aside

and let God judge

ALTo the editor:

Who said dinosaurs are extinct? I found one when I finally read Thursday’s Sun Chronicle. The paper is not promoting homosexuality. They are reporting on a segment of our population who are also created by God. Let he and he alone judge. There is entirely too much hate in this world.

Sally B. Holm

Mansfield

Homosexuals seek only equal rights

To the editor:

Mike Kirby was able to shock me two weeks in a row. Last week it was the fact that he had to explain the three-part story on gay issues.

This week it was the fact that more people than not seem to be upset by the paper being sympathetic to the “homosexual agenda.” I’m still unable to comprehend the fact that people came to the Sun Chronicles offices, Bibles in hand, to cancel their paper subscriptions.

I’m gay and I’m not quite sure what the “homosexual agenda” is. All that GLBT people want is to be treated equally. We want our future, and the future of our families to be the same as everyone else’s.

My partner and I are friends with a couple who are married lesbians. They have four children between them. Both work full time, yet need state insurance. The mother with the children under 18 gets insurance, for herself and the kids. Her wife, on the other hand, has to file as an individual. I’m sure some of you are thinking “Well, that serves them right. They shouldn’t have kids anyway.” Well, let me tell you something, both of these women work hard. They give of themselves to their community. Yet, the only problem is that they don’t get the same rights as heterosexual couples because one of them isn’t a man.

Whether you like it or not, GLBT people are here to stay. No matter how many of you tell us we can’t get married, we can’t raise children, we aren’t the same as you, and we’ll still be here. We just want the same local, state and federal rights as you.

Do all of you understand how easy it is to put people who are different than you into derogatory categories? It is up to individuals to define themselves, not you. The  future depends on the very fact that we accept one another despite our differences.

David M. Slaga

Norton

He leaves us guessing

about alternative view

ALTo the editor:

The letter from Dave Silvia (“Opposing viewpoint absent from gay series,” Sept. 5) raises several interesting but disturbing points.

Taking exception to the series, which outlined the problems facing young gay people, Mr. Silvia seems to be troubled by homosexual advocates who “seek to legitimize and promote their viewpoint by means of the laws of the commonwealth, which represent the values of our society.”

He also finds fault with The Sun Chronicle, which he says “is consistently promoting the gay agenda.” He implies that education institutions are biased in favor of gay people and takes to task the authors of the series for not reporting an alternative point of view.

Mr. Silvia leaves us guessing as to how he prefers that schools should treat gay people and just what alternative point of view he wishes was reported. We can only assume from the tenor of his letter that he prefers a state that would deny marriage and legal rights to persons that are not heterosexual.

In case Mr. Silvia missed it, the Massachusetts state Supreme Court has already ruled that gay marriage is legal, and he and others offended by that decision are certainly free to work to overturn it.

The tone of his letter, however, implies that Mr. Silvia is frustrated by the mere existence of people who do not share his biological instincts, and that is far more concerning than any opposition he and other closed-minded persons might have to gay marriage.

Further, his equating of the granting of legal rights to gays with the potential legalization of polygamy, making 9 the legal age of a girl to marry and stoning to death adulterers is beyond absurd.

It may not happen in the near future, but eventually every state in the country will extend to gays — young and old — the legal rights that Massachusetts has. Mr. Silvia and others who share his narrow view can do little to deny others the legal rights that they themselves currently enjoy.

Larry Houser

Norton

Straight talk, substance

are just what US needs

To the editor:

Bill Darcey of Foxboro made a few comments about Sarah Palin that need a wee bit of clarification. Gov. Palin did attempt to get her former brother-in-law removed from the Alaska state troopers, that is true. What Mr. Darcey failed to mention was that the trooper in question used his police taser on his 10-year-old step-son and made threats against Gov. Palin’s parents during her sister’s divorce. Not really conduct one expects from a state trooper.

I have no problem with people criticizing Gov. Palin, but let’s be sure we do not mislead by ommission and if you want to read up on scandals, be sure to check Joe Biden’s past.

I did a little research on this woman after being wowed by her speech. 

She brings more leadership experience to the job of vice president than Barack Obama and Joe Biden combined. Her approval ratings are over 80 percent in Alaska, a number almost unheard of for politicians. She has a record of taking on Democrats, Republicans and oil companies in her state and shaking up the status quo.

Gov. Palin has a son and  nephew off to combat on the 11th of September. True leadership starts with understanding what you expect others to do and what they may lose. She is no armchair warrior.

While one speech does not make a candidate, her political track record and life experience speak volumes.

I think she is just what Washington needs, change, straight talk and real substance.

Gary Johnson

North Attleboro

 


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vladimir1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:52 PM:

" Why is everything better in Alaska? Because everything costs more in Alaska! "

vladimir1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:36 PM:

" - Anyway - where was I? Oh, Mr. Johnson: Governor Palin, having said "No thanks" to the Bridge to Nowhere after having campaigned for it, took the $440 million in federal earmarks for that project (that money belongs to all of us, by the way) and kept it. OK stole it. No, too harsh, too proletarian. I know! She embezzled it. Then the ultraconservative queen of snowbilly culture, loved by all Alaskans, with the exception of a couple of librarians, put the arm on BIG OIL and whacked them for $11 billion in revenue. That's my girl, you say? Truth to power, you cry! Ah, well, not exactly. First, the ur-conservative just upped taxes on corporations. No amount of prayer will keep her from the hellfires stoked by Grover Nordquist. Second, the deal is she will work to get BIG OIL unlimited drilling rights all over Alaska. She'll get us more oil, you shreik! Texas Tea, yippee! Ah, um, not really. BIG OIL already has drilling rights that they choose not to develop to - control supply - duh. How unfair, you mutter? A clever girl, you concede, with her God, guns and attitude, but not an inch of conscience.

Average price of a gallon of regular gas in Alaska today? $4.40 "

Anna DeMarinis wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:04 PM:

" In REASON, Radley Balko calls Sarah Palin a decent libertarian pick. "As a libertarian, there's plenty I like about Palin. I don't agree with many of her culturally conservative positions, but she has for the most part declined to enshrine those views in public policy." This should assuage saywhat, if he/she has an open mind. "

Anna DeMarinis wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:49 PM:

" celt: that's what the transcript says. Did you read it? I know it's hard to understand what Obama says, what with the uh's and other verbal tics, but that's what the transcript says. "

vladimir1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:48 PM:

" Vlad's Back!!! Well, somebody has to work while loafing liberals spread more gossip...

SoxFan: I'll spare you the Jack Kennedy response to "what does your ticket do for you."
"I want the efforts for clean energy pursued (Obamas idea. Paying for it needs to be worked out). I want spending cut(typically a republican idea). I want stronger schools but believe that no child left behind is flawed." - Really SOX? You sound just like me, a fellow democrat! I wanna kiss you.
I also want my gov't to temper the free market, to regulate Mac and Mae before they cause this crisis, to manage a healthcare system for all of us, manage Katrinas,etc. I want my taxes used wisely and I don't want them replaced by fees. I want a tax plan that levels the playing field, mutes the intrinsic power of wealth when it threatens the livelyhood of the average american.
I think the idea of American gov't is good, which puts me out of touch by 28 years. I want that gov't to defend freedom of thought, religion, sex, race, not engage in culture wars and play these groups against each other. And I don't care how small gov't has to be to do that! "

mattryan5150 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:58 PM:

" saywhat- Some of us believe that with everything we do, we hope it is the will of God. Whether applying for a job, fighting a war, helping out a friend, or buying a home, we say "God willing" we are doing the right thing. Asking MINISTRY students to pray seems entirely appropriate. I ask people to pray for me often. Would Palin or Obama or any person of faith want to do something that is NOT the will of God? "

celt wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:12 PM:

" I don't know what kind of doctors Ms DeMarinis deals with but I have never met a doctor who need a second opinion to determine if someone was alive or not. Read the transcript for yourself. "

SoxFan wrote on Sep 10, 2008 6:19 PM:

" Saywhat: I find it interesting that in one area of your post you write "The decision to have a baby, or not, is the mother's (and father's) and them alone". I disagree: The decision to have sex or make love is the decision of the mother and father. Once conception takes place, the baby must be considered part of the equation.

Later in your post you refer to "your God". I admit I am coming to this discussion from a Catholic perspective so forgive my ignorance. What God are you aware of, that I am not, that supports abortion?

If you do in fact have a God that you believe in (and I have no reason to believe otherwise), then why would you be so opposed to a politician who believed? "

Anna DeMarinis wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:57 PM:

" When celt can't debate the issue, celt throws ad hominem attacks (to deflect from the issue, call the messenger names). The transcript shows that the so-called overly burdensome measure that Obama objected to was getting a second medical opinion on whether the baby was viable. That's an additional burden? To get a second doctor to confirm that the baby is a living, breathing child and worthy of medical care? Spare me. The Medical Society was simply worried about its members being sued for malpractice. "

celt wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:28 PM:

" If you want the truth, read the transcript http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf

If you like your delusions and deceptions, read Ms. DeMarinis. "

saywhat wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:13 PM:

" Soxfan. I am not hiding behind my position. The decision to have a baby, or not, is the mother's (and father's) and them alone. Thus the wording "choice." If you want to call it murder, do so but don't accuse me of hiding. And for the person who said Palin never said it's god's will, correct. She actually said: Called it a "task from God." Whose god is she speaking of, not mine. Another Rev. Wright. Worse, she'll be in charge.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."

In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."

Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan." "

SoxFan wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:35 PM:

" Saywhat: The Constitution provides for the separation of Church and State. The President is also "sworn" into office on a bible, our money says "In God we trust" and the Pledge of Allegiance contains the phrase "One nation, under God".

I raise all these points to illustrate to you that the separation of Church and State was never intended to have government be totally devoid of an elected official's beliefs, it was intended to avoid the suppression that the founders had just left behind in England. Presidents on both sides of the aisle have for years consulted with religious leaders.

I understand that you and I have different points of view in this regard but do not try to hide your position by softening your position. Noboy is "anti-pro-choice" as you write. People are either Pro-life or Pro-murder. Color it anyway you want but don't lie to yourself. "

Anna DeMarinis wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:27 PM:

" When people like celt see this item about Obama's voting record, they panic and try to change the subject. Americans don't support abortion extremism and Obama appears to be an abortion extremist. If the baby survives a botched abortion, he doesn't care about that baby - only the abortion matters. The viable, living, breathing baby is just a mass of inconvenient tissue. "

Anna DeMarinis wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:23 PM:

" Maybe that's why he couldn't answer when a baby gets human rights? "

Anna DeMarinis wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:21 PM:

" celt: so you believe it is OK to throw a living, viable baby into a medical waste bin? And let it slowly die there? Is that what you believe? It doesn't matter what Obama said in that transcript. What his action says is more important. His action said it is OK to toss a baby in a medical waste bin and let it die there. "

celt wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:05 PM:

" Ms. DeMarinis may not find it "interesting" that Palin lied about rejecting the "Bridge to Nowhere" but I think it says a lot about her and her position as a reformer. "

celt wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:03 PM:

" This story is another DeMarinis Delusion. Obama was against that bill as was the Illinois Medical Society because it was designed to add additional burden on women and their physicians who had decided to terminate a pregnancy for very serious medical reasons. You can read the transcript of Obama's remarks to the Illinois Senate on page 33 of this: http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf "

Anna DeMarinis wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:36 PM:

" saywhat: you are buying into the liberal talking points that have been circulating in the media and on liberal blogs. I'm glad Matt corrected you. Further down are a couple sites that correct the record. As for abortion, I can't understand two things about Obama: Why he couldn't answer the question about "when a baby gets human rights?" He said the answer is above his pay grade but no question is above a President's pay grade. Please don't confuse that question with "When does life begin? They are two separate questions. The other is that he voted against a law in IL that would require medical care for babies who survived an abortion. The law he opposed had Roe v Wade protection. His position endorsed throwing a viable baby into a medical waste bin. I would rather have a pro-life VP than a POTUS who thinks it's OK to toss live babies into the trash. For the record, I am a Roe v Wade Republican. I support McCain/Palin. "

mattryan5150 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:08 PM:

" "Her attempted censorship in an Alaskan library": never happened

"her feeling that our involvement in Iraq is "god's will": she didn't say that

"her anti-pro-choice stance": It's called "pro-life," and it has to do with killing an innocent being

"She belonged to a far-right Christian church that had some way-out-there beliefs": and she left the Assembly of God church in 2002 because she was uncomfortable with it. "

saywhat wrote on Sep 10, 2008 2:56 PM:

" Anna. I have no doubt about Palin's ability to lead. That's what scares me. The Founding Fathers were very clear about keeping religion and government separate. Palin is blind with her faith and will try to shove it down our throats. Examples: Her attempted censorship in an Alaskan library; her feeling that our involvement in Iraq is "god's will"; her anti-pro-choice stance. She belonged to a far-right Christian church that had some way-out-there beliefs. Fine for them, but the people from that church are not running for VP. She is. I no longer want her in a leadership position as I do Rev. Wright. "

Anna DeMarinis wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:42 AM:

" Gov. Palin will help Sen. McCain shut down the congressional pork barrel favor factory, and she has the record to prove it. "

Anna DeMarinis wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:40 AM:

" That's $223 million. Sorry for the extra digit. "

Anna DeMarinis wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:40 AM:

" There has been recent liberal chat that Gov. Palin supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she killed it. What I find much more interesting is that Senators Obama and Biden voted FOR the Bridge to Nowhere and AGAINST diverting that $2232 million to Hurricane Katrina aid. So to the auspicious Dem Pres/Veep candidates, the Bridge to Nowhere was more important and valuable than helping victims of Hurricane Katrina. Pitiful. "

mattryan5150 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:11 AM:

" celt- I want McCain to win in November but I am unlikely to vote for him unless has a chance to win Massachusetts. If my vote isn't going to count, I'd rather make a protest vote because I am not crazy about the Republican nominee. I just really want Obama to lose this election. His political sphere and world view are completely distasteful to me.

Regarding the choice of Palin, I must admit that I like her politics, but I wish she were more experienced. But again, she has more experience than Obama, and she only hopes to be VP. "

celt wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:57 AM:

" Matt: Well if you think Palin is not ready to be VP, does that not bring into question the decision-making ability of McCain? You seem to agree that he did not choose well. "

mattryan5150 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:35 AM:

" celt- You've got me wrong. I say that Palin has more experience than Obama. She does not have more experience than Biden or McCain. Dont lump all of us together! I also believe she is not ready to be VP, and neither is Obama. The difference is that only one of the two is running for president. "

celt wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:25 AM:

" Matt: Bull. In one breath you Palinites are telling us she is more prepared to take office that Biden and Obama together. In the next you urge patience as she is being prepped.

Regarding the "town-hall" meeting, there is always push and pull about which candidate is going to set the venue. Obama has always be available to answer questions.

You are admitting that Palin is not read for prime time. If she is not ready for a reporter, she sure as heck isn't ready to deal with Putin! "

SoxFan wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:09 AM:

" Vlad: You did a wonderful job of avoiding the question: What does your ticket do for you.

Am I open minded? I like to think so. I want the efforts for clean energy pursued (Obamas idea. Paying for it needs to be worked out). I want spending cut(typically a republican idea). I want stronger schools but believe that no child left behind is flawed.

In short, I want a hybrid of the platforms. Think what you like about me but you still have not supported your candidates only attacked the opposition. "

mattryan5150 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:03 AM:

" But celt, she is going to answer questions. She, like Obama and McCain and Biden, has to study up in preparation. Do you think any of these candidates go before reporters with being prepped? It is one thing when you are preparing for a presidential run and quite another when you are pulled in as a VP. Biden was already running for president so he had good preparation. Don't worry- she'll answer questions and she'll debate Biden.

Were you bothered when Obama refused several invitations to participate in "town-hall" meetings with John McCain this summer? "

celt wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Matt: Well, yes, I do think that it is unreasonable to be actively running for executive office and to say you are not ready to answer questions. Obama and Biden have been answering questions from reporters from the very first day they entered the race. I could excuse her from setting up a formal interview, but not from refusing to answer any questions. This is a democracy. "

vladimir1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:54 AM:

" Guys - Gotta go - I'll be back "

mattryan5150 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:37 AM:

" vladimir1: Why don't you just take a quick look before you judge? You seem like an open-minded guy!

celt: Palin is doing interviews this week. She just joined this race and needed time to prepare. Is that unreasonable? Look how long it took Obama to come on Fox News. "

celt wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:29 AM:

" If Palin is ready to lead the free world, why won't the people running the campaign let reporters ask her questions? This is a democracy and anyone running from office has to be prepared to answer questions from the press (like 'em or not). The people have a right to know. "

vladimir1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:25 AM:

" SoxFan: sounds like your mind is made up -so don't get cute about how open you are.

THINK? You ought to try it sometime. I THINK my analysis of of Palin is thoughtful and accurate. We all know people like her. Its about the power. But since you guys have believed everything from this current white house to date, why stop now.

Matty: pajamasmedia? really - that's (in)credible. "

mattryan5150 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:23 AM:

" I was poking around the page on Barack Obama's website called "Fight the Smears." Seriously, there is some good stuff there. But suprisingly, I didn't find the following smear: "That's not change. "You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,' but it's still gonna stink after eight years." I wonder why this is?! "

mattryan5150 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:16 AM:

" Palin Fact and Fiction:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/separating-palin-fact-from-palin-fiction/ "

SoxFan wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:08 AM:

" vladimir1: What do Obama/Biden do for you. I understand that you can attack the other party but what does your ticket do for you. I found the Clinton administration to be vile and revolting but you heard people refer to him as "inspiring". I see none of that on either side today. Aside from party affiliation, why Obama? Help me make my decision.

I applaud Mr. Johnson's letter because he takes a defendable position in support of his candidate and does not simply bash the opponent.

I applaud Mattyryan for supporting his point with a neutural website and not an underground conservative site.

When you get information from a website, check its owner at www.whois.com so that you are not simply regurgitating the party's spiel.

In short, THINK!

I like the give and take here but I want to see why people support who they do! "

mattryan5150 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:02 AM:

" "The AFL-CIO is attacking McCain with a TV spot saying he VOTED "against increasing health care benefits for veterans." Actually, he VOTED for increases in those benefits." "

vladimir1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:56 AM:

" Matty - you should look at the actual votes.

Mr. Johnson, it is hard to assess Palin's track record and life experience as she remains deafeningly silent to questions on the matter.

Troopergate isn't about the crimes and misdemeanors of Palin's brother-in-law; that is a police matter. It's purpose is to investigate Palin's use or abuse of executive power, private vendetta above the rule of law, and the cover-up of this abuse. Before nomination she said she welcomed the investigation, now she may have to be subpeonaed whilr the RNC and Alaska rebublicans do their best to derail any investigation.

Alaska has no income, sales or property tax. Its 2 main sources of income are from taxes and royalties from oil companies and federal earmark money.

Palin is skilled at gaming this system, playing big oil against earmarks to acquire power and celebrity. Mayor Palin fired her political enemies, hired a lobbyist from Sen. Stevens office to raise $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 7000 people. How big is the budget for North Attleboro? "

socal1 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:58 AM:

" Wouldn't you have to include McCain in the "Palin has more executive experience" than Obama and Biden? "

mattryan5150 wrote on Sep 10, 2008 6:59 AM:

" Good letter, Mr. Johnson. Too many people are spreading false information about Gov. Palin and Sen. McCain, including vladimir1. Hey vladimir1: you should try getting your information from sources other than liberal blogs. Try this on for size:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/afl-cio_falsely_attacks_mccain.html

AFL-CIO Falsely Attacks McCain
It runs an ad claiming McCain voted "against increasing health care benefits for veterans," when he actually voted repeatedly to increase them.

Summary
The AFL-CIO is attacking McCain with a TV spot saying he voted "against increasing health care benefits for veterans." Actually, he voted for increases in those benefits.

The labor federation points to McCain's votes against Democratic proposals to increase funding. Those were defeated along party lines and were accompanied by alternative measures to increase benefits by smaller amounts, all of which passed unanimously or with near-unanimous majorities. McCain supported all of them. "


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