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Charges of political motivation spice up debate at city council




ATTLEBORO - Take tight city finances, throw in charges of political motivation and add an impending primary election and you have a formula for a bitter and explosive debate - and that's what happened Tuesday on the city council floor.

A fiery backlash was sparked by a discussion on the vexing and seemingly never-ending problem on what to charge the independently funded water and wastewater departments for city services.

The matter was brought up during a session of the budget and appropriations committee by its Chairman Bill Bowles, who will be facing off against former Councilor Kate Jackson Tuesday in the Democratic primary election for state representative.

Bowles urged the council to adopt a resolution asking the mayor for a study based on the "incremental cost method" of assessing the water and wastewater departments for services such as accounting, billing and police and fire protection. Currently, the two departments are charged a total of about $1 million.

Bowles hopes the study will result in lower charges and lower water and sewer rates. "I think, basically, we're charging too much," he said. However, the proposal brought an immediate rebuke from Councilor Brian Kirby, who said councilors lacked information on which to make a decision and that Bowles' aim could result in cash cuts from the general fund and cause layoffs in tight financial times.

"Say you can save $300,000. That means we'll have to take it from the general fund and cut firefighters, teachers and police officers," he said. "If there's an impact on general government, there's an impact on all citizens."

Over the years, Bowles has led the charge to reduce water and sewer rates, but colleague Peter Blais said this time it was politically motivated.

Blais also charged that rate reductions urged by Bowles in the past had caused deficits and contributed to large rate hikes later.

"Those two departments were run on bare bones, and that cost us," Blais said. "You put us behind the eight ball with penny-wise and pound foolish rates. You're playing politics from that front chair."

Bowles denied the charge.

"I think I know who's playing politics," he told Blais, who backs Jackson.

Bowles said he only wanted to "open the discussion" on the resolution and didn't expect a vote immediately. But he defended the idea.

"I don't think all of us are comfortable with the costs that are being charged over there, and all this is doing is saying that there may be a better way," he said.

Bowles said if cuts had to be made from the general fund to adjust the charges, it could be done gradually as finances allowed. Meanwhile, Councilor Jerry Chase charged that Kirby was guilty of "censorship" when he objected to Bowles' use of the word "fair" to describe the proposed method of determining the charges.

"This is America, damn it, and you can say the word fair all you want - you shut up," he yelled as Kirby tried to object.

The meeting ended without a vote.

 


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casino1 wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:38 AM:

" joehall.....I have my facts correct. Water rates etc are discussed in committee. Often amended before they come before the full council for a full vote.......So to vote YES, does not mean that you supported them as they currently came down from the mayor. I don't know how much if any was saved this year but I do know my rubbish is less...and in past years it has been Bowles who has lead the charge to get them lower.....to Mike...what is wrong with folks who debate hard and are friends???? The world doesn't have to be This side or that side....folks who accomplish things are able to debate an issue...resolve the issue....vote the issue, and move along.......the ones who hold grudges are the ones who live lonely lives, and never accomplish anything "

mike wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:00 PM:

" To watcher2: Forgot to mention Judy is on the front page of Bowles' website endorsing him too...the first picture!!! Never buddies??? Guess again. "

mike wrote on Sep 11, 2008 10:45 PM:

" To watcher2: You say Bowles and Judy Robbins were never buddies EVER? How come I see them every Friday together at Wetherlain's? Always have and will see them again tomorrow night if I go. Also, check out the big Bowles sign in her yard. It's there every election year.... "

watcher2 wrote on Sep 11, 2008 10:21 PM:

" Bowles and Robbins were absolutely NOT buddies EVER! "

joehall wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:12 PM:

" To Casino1 -

Bowles cares about the folks paying the bills??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? You really should check your FACTS before you take such a position. Bowles not only voted in favor of every single measure associated with the $30m sewer plant, he led the charge to defeat efforts to have the plans reviewed by another independent engineer.

I'm surprised (but not really) that in last night's debate, Mike Kirby didn't ask Bowles whether he voted in favor of the current water and sewer rates. Any guess how Bowles voted? Hint....the answer is "YES". "

mike wrote on Sep 11, 2008 6:20 PM:

" Sorry casino1, you are REALLY making no sense now... "

casino1 wrote on Sep 11, 2008 6:03 PM:

" Just because it is mandated doesn't mean you don't have to pay for it ~ DAH~The Mayor could have done what he needed if he thought it wasn't cost effective. Mandated YES. So go blame rate increases on FEDS. If you want to look at spend aholic look at Blair. Mr Go Along with everything. "

mike wrote on Sep 11, 2008 5:25 PM:

" To casino1: The rehabilitation of the Wastewater Treatment Facility was mandated by the EPA (environmental protection agency) and the DEP(department of environmental protection). Your assertion that the current mayor could have stopped this is false. Since you brought it up, when Judy Robbins left office, there was a deficit in the water dept because the water rate was set too low by Bowles and her. You can check this all out. It is public record. It was set too low and thus the substantial rate increases since she left office and Bowles lost his council seat. Now he is back to his old tricks. "

casino1 wrote on Sep 11, 2008 5:00 PM:

" The rates are so high because of a new treatment plant. If the incoming Mayor didn't like the plan HE could have stopped it. Did he NO! He had the chance, it wasn't set in stone. You can only blame the Robbins administration so long. As for Bowles, and Robbins. If I recall they disagreed more than agreed. Go figure, each to his/her own view..That's what makes this a great country to live. "

mike wrote on Sep 11, 2008 4:51 PM:

" To Hope2008: I am not talking about the parametic issue. I happen to disagree with Blais on that. I am talking about Bowles grandstanding on an issue that he caused. The rate was incorrectly set by Bowles for years and that is why it is so high today.

To casino1: I have never thought that Bowles cares about the folks paying the bills. Sorry, I don't. He cared about getting himself and Judy Robbins re-elected and that is why he pushed to keep the rate so low in the past. That is why we have to pay off such a high debt service today. He is the cause and he is now running for state rep and he wants to bring up a solution to make headlines. This solution will set us back. It's like paying a credit card. Bowles wants to pay the minimum balance so we will be paying interest forever! "

casino1 wrote on Sep 11, 2008 3:58 PM:

" Mike have you ever thouught that perhaps Mr Bowles care about the folks paying the bills? I for one have alwys appreciated the fact he tries to keep things in line. I own a home and don't want/nor can afford to pay more than I need. "

RICKYL1024 wrote on Sep 11, 2008 3:55 PM:

" I applaud the members of the City Council who questioned the recent proposal brought forth by Councilor Bill Bowles which would assess the water and wastewater departments for services. Members of the Council need more time to work on a propsal of this magnitude if indeed the proposal is or is not right for the City. Mr. Bowles's resolution at this time appears to be more of an opportunity for him to look good in front of the voters in this election season. In regards to Councilor Jerry Chase, Shame, Shame, Shame on you for your temper outburst in City Council Chambers, You need anger management counseling. "

hope2008 wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:48 PM:

" To Mike: Yes. Mr. Blais did hit the nail on the head when he was quoted on tape as saying that he did not want to support a law that would require all new-hires at the fire dept to be licensed paramedics because "it would make it too hard for the kids of present firefighters to get on the dept." I wouldn't want to admit to admiring that guy on any level. Are you aware that he has gotten several of his own relatives hired to the city, while in office? Wish he could have been recalled for having such a shallow view of public safety. He is everything that is wrong with politics. "

ricknkim wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:57 AM:

" I think it would have been foolish to vote on it without reviewing it first. Mr. Bowles does not know it all when it comes to finances. However, the incremental cost method should be looked at. "

GopSue wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:21 AM:

" As someone who watched the Council meeting, I have to disagree with anyone who wants to attack Councilor Kirby. Mr. Kirby addressed the Chair (Mr. Bowles) and said he had some questions regarding the resolution that Mr. Bowles was putting forth and that no one had seen before that evening. Mr. Kirbys questions and statements were followed by comments from Mr. Blais, Mr. Bergevine, Mr Cook and even Ms. Allard all having questions about the timing and lack of details provided on the resolution that Mr. Bowles wanted them all to vote on that night. Mr. Bergevine came right out and said there is no way I can vote on this tonight. Mr. Bowles was professionally and politely disagreeing with some comments and answering others questions. I believe ALL were saying what they thought re: Bill ..this needs some more back up and details before we can vote on this. Mr. Chase was very out of order in his yelling at Mr. Kirby and his showing of his temper in the council chamber. He acted like an out of control madman instead of a Councilor. This was NEVER a Mr. Kirby against Mr. Bowles many others had questions and statements regarding the resolution. Mr. Bowles was answering the questions and even he remarked that Mr. Chase was out of order. "

mike wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:10 AM:

" Make no mistake. Bowles has always pushed to set the rates lower than necessary for political reasons. This had been going on for years. It was so he and former mayor (and buddy of his) Judy Robbins could keep getting elected long enough to enjoy pensions (takes 10 years). They knew if they set it correctly people would get angry. That is why we are in the mess we are today! Peter Blais hit the nail smack down on its head Tuesday night!! He said what no one has dared to say publicly. Bill Bowles is not the savoir but instead the reason why our rates are sooooo high today. Debt has accrued and now part of the current pay goes to interest that Bill and Judy could have avoided us. Thanks, Peter for saying what you said!!!!!!!!

Oh, and Jerry Chase should apologize how how acted. It was undignified and embarrassing to the council. "

hope2008 wrote on Sep 11, 2008 10:06 AM:

" If anyone was playing politics, it was Mr. Kirby. He is not even close to Mr. Bowles on financial matters. Mr. Bowles was offering some educated alternatives to the sewer rate problems and Mr. Kirby didnt like it. It makes Mr. Bowles look good at election time and Mr. Kirby is obviously not a supporter. Shame on Mr. Kirby for trying to stifle different ideas that might help us financially at a difficult time. Does he have any ideas? If not, let everyone on the council have input. As for Mr Blais - he's that brought up the idea that the city only hire relatives, remember??? "

staceymay wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:22 AM:

" Playing politics?. Ever since the present Mayor was elected and atarted walking arm and arm with a majority of the City Councilers the water and sewer departments have been the cash cow to balance the budget. I take offense with the remarks by Kirby that were gain meant to threathen us with a loss of services and sercurity. Why is it, it always has to come to that???. What we need from the Councilers is and answer as to when the outrageous increases in water and sewer come to and end. Please don't hold your breath waiting for the answer. "

doug wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:04 AM:

" The one thing that we would like from our councilors Mr. Chase is some professionalism and self control. That kind of response to a fellow councilor may bite you in the "you know what" when you least expect it. The one thing that can make a person ineffective is their inability to control emotions. Out of control councilman??? "

ucbruin wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:47 AM:

" I consider each and every sitting councilor who has been on the board for more than 2 terms to be a politician. So for any councilor to accuse another of playing politics is accurate and ludicrous at the same time. All of the councilors, at 1 time or another, could be said to be playing politics. Watching the Attleboro council meetings on TV has been an eye-opener for me as I am able to see as well as hear the personalities of each councilor. It is so different from just readng their words in a newspaper article. It is also interesting to see who are the pit bulls of the administration and who seem to be opposed to it-some of the pit bulls even wear "lipstick". So stop pointing fingers at eacj other because on the surface you may seem different from one another but deep down you are all the same, politicians, good or bad. "


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