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Frustration behind call for income tax repeal




When constituents tell state Rep. Betty Poirier they plan to vote for the repeal of the state's income tax, she hears mainly frustration in their voices.

"They just say to me 'I'm going to vote to get rid of the income tax. Then you guys can figure out what you're going to do,'" the North Attleboro Republican said. "They are just very upset because their financial limits have been reached."

Other area lawmakers are also aware of the frustration behind Question 1 on the November ballot.

If approved by state voters, taxpayers would be freed of a 5.3 percent tax on their income - and the state would lose about 40 percent of its revenue.

That would mean a $12 billion cut for a $28 billion budget this year. State Rep. Jay Barrows, R-Mansfield, believes many voters are angry with the unkept promises by state officials that an 0.75 percent surcharge added to the state's 5 percent income tax in the late 1980s would be temporary.

Although the rate decreased to the current 5.3 percent two years ago, the Democrat-controlled Legislature has balked at lowering it more.

"Legislators have made a promise years ago that the increase was only temporary," Barrows said. "Had we kept our promise to lower it back to 5 percent, probably we would never have seen this ballot question."

Barrows also cited Gov. Deval Patrick's undelivered pledge to lower property tax two years ago.

"I think it frustrates the taxpayers," he said. "People understand that it might be a way to send a message loud and clear to the government to say 'We had enough. Where's my tax relief?' "

Along with Barrows, state Rep. Richard J. Ross, R-Wrentham, supports lowering the income tax rate to 5 percent.

"That's the initiative we've always brought back as a caucus, and supported as a rollback," Ross said.

However, it is hard when the Legislature passes a bigger budget that demands all possible resources, including additional taxes imposed on cigarettes this year.

"We just need to meddle within our needs," Ross said. "That's the message taxpayers want to convey. As a minority party member, that's the message I want to convey."

The income tax repeal was placed on the ballot by the Committee for Small Government, led by Libertarian activist Carla Howell. "The essential services of government will not be affected at all," Howell said. "Ending the income tax will simply require the Legislature to cut government waste."

She listed examples of "waste," including overspending on the Big Dig, police details, the Quinn bill, the police career incentive program that gives salary increases to officers with degrees in law enforcement or criminal justice and government workers going on disability, such as a Boston firefighter who trained for a body-building contest after claiming he had a bad back.

"When the government opens its books and shows us how our tax dollars are being spent, we find much more than $12 billion we can cut from the state budget," said Howell.

However, many area legislators are fearful of what a $12 billion cut would mean to local public schools, public safety, higher education and the whole health care system.

"I think it would be devastating. I think it needs to be defeated," said Rep. Steven D'Amico, D-Seekonk, who notes the disrepair of the state's roads and bridges as one of the many problems that need funding.

"The aid to cities and towns would be cut or eliminated, which would force up property taxes," he said. "This is not a responsible thing to do."

Rep. Louis L. Kafka, D-Sharon, expressed his opposition, too.

"I think across the board, it will have a major effect on services, from pre-school to golden age," he said.

Barrows also worries about the impact of a repeal, particularly in the case of state funding for local education.

"State aid is critical, like Chapter 70 money is critical to support our schools," he said. "It's economic down times, but a great deal of burden has been put on communities."

The Attleboro Education Association said the state aid to public schools account for almost 50 percent of school funding.

In fiscal year 2009, Attleboro will receive about $30 million from the state. In 2003, when $2 million was cut from the state aid package to Attleboro, it resulted in 33 jobs lost in the Attleboro public schools.

State Sen. James E. Timilty, D-Walpole, sees cutting the tax rate to 5 percent as a reasonable alternative.

"It's a measured approach. You'd be able to see the fallout of what will happen," Timilty said. "However, to go to zero percent, we would have seismic consequences."

 


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Atticus wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:29 AM:

" "where, EXACTLY, is there 12 billion in waste in the state budget? All Howell and others do is cite programs they don't like. That's not likely to be the best indicator of waste. "

Without "inside information", it is difficult for many of us to preciesely locate it. But a walk through the state office building, with your eyes open, will allow you to smell it. The listless employees. The refusal of the Secretary of State's offce to accept cash (the employees were stealing it, but couldn't be fired).

I think that a lot of us see it in little ways. Howell points out that 45% of voters are prepared to vote for it. This is particularly compelling when you realize that 20% of voters draw their paycheck from the government. "

Spamalot01 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:08 PM:

" Since the Big Dig budget is now debt service, stiffing the banks & creditors who loaned the money to build it isn't an acceptable option. They will retaliate by cutting off state credit and we'll watch the state's credit rating sink while interest payments balloon as a result. As for publius' diatribe against schools, Attleboro may have avoided school layoffs, but where I teach took a hit. I've now got 30+ students in all but one of my classes in classrooms built (by state specification) to hold no more than twenty-eight. Other colleagues are trying to teach 34-35 kids in similar sized spaces and one computer teacher has a class of 36 with only twenty-five computers. That being said, publius may have a point about special needs classes. While regular ed programs lost positions through un-replaced retirements and layoffs, special needs added faculty and aids, keeping their numbers low while regular ed has to contend with the conditions mentioned earlier. That, however, is a locally-based budget decision, not state-based, so the question still exists, where, EXACTLY, is there 12 billion in waste in the state budget? All Howell and others do is cite programs they don't like. That's not likely to be the best indicator of waste. "

Atticus wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:31 PM:

" The $28.2 billion "budget" figure tossed around is only part of it -
called the Statutory Budget. There are three other parts of the complete
budget: NON-Budgeted Spending, Capital Spending, and Expendable Trust
Spending(1). These four budgets come to $47.3 billion in state
government spending for this year.

Massachusetts cities and towns are spending $27+ billion(2) this year.

That totals $74.3 billion in Massachusetts government spending.

Those numbers make 12 Bilion in waste quite a lot more plausible. "

publius wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:54 PM:

" Howell should show us her analysis that there is 40% waste. I agree there is waste, but 40%? Come on.

It is a Libertarian Party PR campaign. Does everyone know Howell is on a $20k a month consutling contract from this Question 2 organization (which she founded)? I bet not.

The legislature will over ride this and no one will say a thing.

The waste does exist, like I said. But look at the at WIC. Look at TAFDC (welfare). Look at Special Ed. Look at the 2000 new state employees Coupe Deval has added in the executive branch (500 take home cars it is said).

Attleboro was going to lay off 8 cops last year. 8 firefighter. How many DPW, 15 I recall? Don't touch the schools though. Well, the schools is where the real waste is. Social prgrams is where the waste is. No if and or buts.

Junkies walking around Attleboro collecting welfare, social security, medicare. They take up space and have contributed to the decay in the city that was once a working class mecca when we were kids.

It is a shame. How many cops are they gonna let go this year in Attleboro. How many firefighters? No teachers though. "

eled wrote on Sep 23, 2008 4:00 PM:

" The 2009 budget is online at www.mass.gov. I looked up the items Carla Howell mentioned: Big Dig debt service-102 million, state police details-25 million, career incentives for police-50 million, disability benefits for fire-123 thousand. Total-177 million. Where's the remaining 11.8 billion dollars of waste? Spamalot is right, facts not emotions! "

realist wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:57 PM:

" Attleborrow - The problem is the governor promised property tax relief as part of his campaign -- that how he got the older property owners to vote for him.

How do you propose that Betty Poirier help our area? By bringing in taxpayer funded projects? Most of the money for them go to out of the area contractors?

As for Sarah Palin - the only controversy there is the desperate attempt by the leftist media to discredit someone based on relative youth, not a lot of experience who is looking for national office and is not Obama. "

Spamalot01 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:43 PM:

" I've written it before and I'll write it again. If Carla claims that 40% of the entire state budget is waste. Show me the exact protions of the budget that total that much waste! I know there's waste, everyone know's there's waste, but 40% of the total? That is a completely unsupported supposition and Ms. Howell and her ilk know it. Otherwise, why aren't they supporting their call for the income tax repeal with facts culled from the budget that support their claims? And, more to the point, why aren't voters, even those inclined to support the rollback, asking for the facts that support her claims? If you want to "shake things up," it had dam/ned well better be done on the basis of facts, not emotional hearsay. Otherwise, you will watch this state wither as taxpayers leave to find states where public services that they expect, like plowed and maintained streets, good public schools, public transportation and all the rest are actually available. "

Attleborrow wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:41 PM:

" I don't think we can blame the governor for the lack of cuts in property taxes. Look at the facts - he was elected at a time where home ownership was still riding a pretty big high. True, sales were slowing down 2 years ago, but it didn't look like it does today. Less people owning homes = less people paying into town / city taxes = higher rates for everyone to maintain the budget.

I am done listening to the "out of touch" state Rep. Betty Poirier. She hasn't moved on anything significant to assist the town of North Attleboro. She even praised the highly controversial Sarah Palin! Talking heads should be tossed out, and reformers should be brought in. PLEASE, someone run for State Rep. and get her out of here! "

Atticus wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:16 PM:

" I intend to vote for it. Progress will not be made on little cats feet. We need a major shakeup which causes the whole tax system to be looked at anew.

I am not swayed by those who claim it "goes to far". This is a very old trick of rhetoric. It suggests that since it "goes to far", the only alternative is to do nothing. To those people, I ask "how far is far enough?" "

realist wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:01 AM:

" Spamalot01 - Do you propose an alternative to just rolling over and accepting a legislature that has no incentive to control spending, a governor who will start a program to appease any special interest group if it means a few votes or entitlement programs so out of control that people on public assistance feel there is nothing wrong with demonstrating at the state house for more benefits? "

Spamalot01 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:55 AM:

" Elimination of income tax = massive increases of property tax. Example - NH. Of course, NH also gets income from the sale of alcohol, but I assume that private package store owners will not go quietly into that good night and allow a state take over of their businesses just so we can make up for the loss of income tax revenue courtesy of this very selfish initiative. "

Soxfan wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:37 AM:

" An extra $3,600 in my pocket will not offset me returning to my annual budget of 10 years ago.

Additionally, I believe the state will find other more creative ways to get this money from us and the devil I know is better than the one I do not. "

attman63 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:37 AM:

" Strange how the reps assume the needed cuts will be in schools and other programs- not in wasteful spending!

It is a given to these people that they are and will continue to bilk us no matter what we say or do!

I say RE-ELECT NOBODY! We have to end the age of professional politicians! "

Soxfan wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:35 AM:

" Okay, so after reading the article I went to the Committee for Small Government site to see what they are proposing. First I noticed they are asking for money to promote their idea. Sort of a "voluntary tax" if you will.

Next, I moved on to the site's "FAQ" section where there was 1 question which read in part: "I would want to see a sensible and concrete alternative state budget. Voters need to see how this drastic cut in state income will work out"!
I am sure many of us who would like to limit the amount of taxes we pay ask this before we would vote in favor of this measure.

The Site's reply is:
A: Thanks for asking us to propose our $35 billion Massachusetts state budget.

If the Massachusetts legislature will "Show Us the Tax Money" - open the Massachusetts state government books - as we requested in our 2/8/08 open letter to the state legislature, we will happily create and craft a budget.

Until then, we propose recycling the 1999 Massachusetts state budget of $35 billion -- minus that year's spending on the Big Dig, and minus the tax funds that went to the "Rainy Day" government savings account.

I ask each and every one of you who are fed up with paying too much in taxes to answer this: Are we all prepared to live on our 1999 budgets if this measure passes? "

realist wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:57 AM:

" If he's upset about the roads I would remind Rep. Steven D'Amico of Seekonk that the good people of the Commonwealth voted for a gas tax increase some years back. A voluntary tax increase is so rare yet we fell for the advertising and lobbying by the politicians and construction who said that the money would go to pay for bridge and road maintenance and repair. How many potholes did you drive over on the way to work? "

Hojo20 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:36 AM:

" Vote to get rid of the income tax. At least the state will then be run with a shred of fiscal responsbility. "

skeptic wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:22 AM:

" There are three groups of people in this state who feel they are entitled to a permanent free ride. The elected for life politicians, the state employees and those who benefit from "entitlement" programs.
Taxpayers aren't just frustrated, they're angry. Everytime he goes into the State House, Gov Tax and Spend seems to be announcing yet another program. The state legislature members receive fulltime pay and benefits for what many of us would consider part time jobs. If you look at the amount of work that gets done in a short period of time -- look at towns' finance committees and town meetings. If you look at the amount of total hours spent in proportion to the work done and RTM is far more efficient than the Commonweaths legislature. And the local folks are unpaid.

The problem is the Great and General Court are not worried because they know they can just nullify the will of the voters and still get re-elected by printing up a few more proclamations. If the lawmakers and governor were really concerned they would have spent the summer cutting back on wasteful spending, cutting benefits for those who don't deserve them and showing they can be fiscally responsible.
So don't worry, nearly two weeks of your average work year will continue to support those who don't know the value of a dollar. "

kevin h. wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:24 AM:

" Getitright, You say "Everyone knows MA will never vote to cut programs that help so many." That attitude is the problem. Charity is the job of private citizens and the church. Government is for the general welfare, not specially defined groups. "

GetItRight wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:45 AM:

" Our little pocket of the state where "don't touch my wallet" is the golden rule, won't have say in the tax issue. Everyone knows MA will never vote to cut programs that help so many. The issue is that lawmakers like Poirier don't have the capacity to work with others to make sound fiscal policy. She is divisive and has no clue how much she's not respected in Boston. "


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