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No delay for Foxboro's dog park trial, judge says




FOXBORO - A Boston Land Court judge has denied the town's request to postpone the Nov. 12 dog park trial.

This week, selectmen directed town counsel Paul DeRensis and his partner, litigator Robert Hillman, to seek the postponement, in part because Town Manager Andrew Gala, who would direct the town's actions, is out of work for several weeks.

Gala underwent surgery for a shoulder injury.

Hillman, who was to appear for the town, planned to tell the judge that as new counsel in the matter, the firm of Deutch Williams needs time to prepare.

Selectman Mark Sullivan said he learned Wednesday that the judge had turned down the requested delay of the trial. Attorney Sam Perkins had filed a motion asking that his firm no longer defend the town in a suit brought by residents seeking to close Foxboro Dog Park. The town's insurance carrier is no longer paying Perkins, and a majority of selectmen voted not to accept a private donation to pay him.

In a related matter, Selectman Paul Feeney on Tuesday said the committee he is chairing will have more information in about two weeks on its mission to locate potential new sites for the dog park.

 


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KRO127 wrote on Oct 4, 2008 5:38 PM:

" Might I add...
You have been invited to visit the sight on numerous occasions to prove to you it is not in the condition you state yet you have not taken the time to do so. How can you rant over something that is completely untruthful and consider it legitimate? "

KRO127 wrote on Oct 4, 2008 5:12 PM:

" FoxboroKaren, not having a fence or a large enough yard gives no credible reasoning as to why a pet owner would not be suitable to own a pet. And I also find it quite insulting that you would even hint towards the idea that we are something less then a capable owner to a dog. I find it on the same level of telling someone they are a less than fit parent. I find your insults to be in a higher category than name calling and as you have commented "it brings your credibility to below zero."
You seem to express the same two arguments over and over without addressing any of the other questions such as are you opposed to the fact that socializing a dog is an important part of owning a dog? Have you visited the site of the dog park?
You have been invited to visit the sight on numerous occasions to prove to you it is not in the condition you state yet you have not taken the time to do so. How can you rant over something that is completely untruthful? "

KyraSkye wrote on Oct 4, 2008 4:57 PM:

" It's funny that my dog is considered a "Canine Good Citizen', I pay my taxes, and don't complain when the town is out doing road work at 7 am, or blocking roads during the busiest time of the day. Yet, you FoxboroKaren, have chosen to complain about something that would never have cost you a penny- EVER- as a tax payer, until the abutters decided that they did not want anything or anyone to use that land. They have not put forth the effort to come to an agreement with anyone of that park- still at no monetary cost to them- but they have chosen to waste taxpayer money by suing the town that they live in.
The people of the dog park have volunteered to put up a berm, to block noise and the sight of the park to the abutters- but they will not accept anything less than the closing of the park. WHY??? They want it to be an extension of their back yard. Well guess when the judge sees all the evidence, how the patrons of the park clean up after themselves and their dogs- the truth might be the end to it and the waste of your tax dollars. Then again- their lawyer has stated on public record- that he will appeal- wasting yet more tax dollars. "

cassidy29 wrote on Oct 4, 2008 4:42 PM:

" Ps. I'm happy to continue this discussion with you because I've actually read all the documentation that there is on this dog park: how it came to be, who thought it was a great idea, who was at the informational meeting etc. I've done my homework, please go do yours. "

cassidy29 wrote on Oct 4, 2008 4:40 PM:

" Karen--your credibility is also at zero. You need to at least see the point that this dog park hasn't cost money until your friends, the abutters, decided to sue. So call Baker and complain to him about your and my tax money being wasted. Further, do not talk about name calling in reference to the people who support the dog park. We are not the ones who screamed swear words and made threats. Do yourself (and the rest of us who have to read your comments) a favor and mosey on up to the new police station and find a police report from January of this year where one of your precious abutters told someone walking on conservation land that they better never come back or "they'd never walk off the property again." Seriously, that's more of a problem than a few people that you dontt even know thinking you are an uninformed idiot. You are entitled to your opinion, as we are to ours. Funny how you call taking our dogs and ourselves to this land if it is closed spiteful. You are implying that the neighbors own it. They don't. Get a clue. What do you call filing a lawsuit against a town and threatening people? That's pretty spiteful in my book. "

FoxboroKaren wrote on Oct 4, 2008 3:52 PM:

" Kyra,

If you want your pooch to be a "good canine citizen", you should set a much better example for it. Treating your own fellow taxpaying residents with obvious spite and not being respectful of their rights as residents, taxpayers and property owners, won't get you anywhere. If you are not able to provide your pooch with the safety, exercise, and socializing, on our own property, you should really reconsider owning a dog. Or try to be a more responsible dog owner by providing your pooch with a fence. Therefore, you can invite all of Norfolk County to your house. I'll be your neighbors would love that!

By the way, Kyra, congratulations! You just proved my point again about the doggie social club mentality - name calling is a typical from your group, which, of course, drops your credibility level to below zero. "

KyraSkye wrote on Oct 4, 2008 9:21 AM:

" OK, I live on an acre of land- but do not have a fence- does this state that I can not specifically care for the needs of my pet- which are- Food Shelter Discipline Safety and Exercise?
Socializing is an important part of owning a dog or other pet of 4 legs. I want my dog to be good with other humans, I want her to be a Canine Good Citizen! I do not want a dog that I can not have around people, or take with me when I travel because she is not socialized.

Why is it that Sharon has a dog park, with no controversy? what is wrong with the abutters in Foxboro, that they will not let the dog park put up a berm- at no expense to the abutters- to keep them from having to look at or hear the park?

I will also continue to bring my pooch to the park- no matter it being named a dog park or a park or a recreation area. Again then it will not be regulated and no one will have to curb their dogs from barking, pooing or doing anything they want to do.

I highly suggest that you see and visit the park before you speak ill of it- otherwise you look like an uninformed idiot. "

FoxboroKaren wrote on Oct 4, 2008 8:51 AM:

" Kro,
As I've stated previously, it is the sole responsibility of the dog owner to care for their pet. Your post of "Also I would be honored to have the Norfolk county and pets be invited to my backyard but unfortunitly I do not have the resources for my own dog alone", clearly states that you do not have the resources to care for your dog specifically.

It seems to me that the posts here are very clear and that dog owners intend to take their posse of other dog lovers and their pets to their property just to spite the aubtters. This creates a very hostile living environment for those tax payers.

You and your fellow dog lovers are responsible for the care of your pet. If you cannot provide a suitable place to exercise your pets without interferring with the paace and quality of life of those around you, you need to reconsider dog ownership. "

kro127 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:17 PM:

" FoxboroKaren I respect that you accept our comments just as much as I can resect an opposing opinion but I feel that many of your comments are driven by emotion and are very misconstrued. Such as, dont forget, the visitors of the dog park are tax payers themselves. Also I would like to point out there is not noise from dogs and owners 24/7 because the park only operates during day hours and only on a few specific days a week. Therefore that comment is not valid.
Also I would be honored to have the Norfolk county and pets be invited to my backyard but unfortunitly I do not have the resources for my own dog alone, hence my use of the community dog park. And thank you truth for pointing out the community space is being used no differently than if it was a gathering for an adult sporting event, that is a great example and holds a lot of truth within it. "

cassidy29 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:12 PM:

" Nicely said, Truth. I don't get why the abutters and their enablers are so afraid of this going to trial. If they had a case, you'd think they'd be chomping at the bit to get in there and take it to the hoop. Hmmm, I wonder why.... "

cassidy29 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:09 PM:

" Hostile? What's hostile is the abutters who have been screaming at people, making threats, and parading through the park without ID's. Hostile is selectmen coming to the park, leaving gates open, and writing down license plates of cars and taking pictures of dog poop. My post to you was not hostile. Let me say it slowly so you can understand: The dog park is funded BY PRIVATE DONATIONS. The reason this is costing taxpayer's money is because some neighbors who have lived in Foxboro their entire lives didn't pay attention to what conservation land was going to be used for. If they hadn't sued, this wouldn't be an issue. Calling people who are for the rights of the conservation commission "doggie social club members" makes you look as ridiculous and hostile as you are saying I am. HELLO POT! "

the truth hurts wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:08 PM:

" and for the record, it is the abutters wasting the towns time and money, not the dog park supporters. Why is everybody who against the park so afraid of this lawsuit going to trial and finally ending? Maybe they know they are wrong? Oh, and Karen, in case you missed it, the nuisense allagations have been dropped from the lawsuit, the conditions you describe do not exist at the dog park. "

the truth hurts wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:01 PM:

" karen, you miss the point of a dog park. A dog park is mostly for the owners of the dogs. A place where these taxing paying dog owners can meet an socialize with people of like intrests. Much like an over 35 softball league or an adult soccer league. And there is more noise from those two clubs.
The fact is the area is public land, for use for the whole community not for the private use of Milton Lane residents. If they didn't want people behind their houses they should not have moved in next to a recreational area. As Mr.Baker was told when he built Milton lane "this is a recreational area, always was, always will be, don't come back and complain about the park being used" "

FoxboroKaren wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:33 PM:

" KRO,

I welcome your comments.

"Instead I respectfully and responsibly choose to bring my dog to a place where he is accepted and monitored."

What you don't understand is that your dog is not accepted by tax paying Foxboro residents who abut the area and listen to dogs and their owners 24/7. Those are the people who pay taxes in this town...not the dogs. Why don't you responsibly choose to invite the Norfolk County dog population and their owners to your own your yard where dogs will really be accepted and monitored? Why do you feel the need to disturb the peace of the abutters? "

KRO127 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:52 PM:

" Cassidy, great point! You are exactly right it will still be town land and I will bring my dog there if I choose so.

FoxboroKaren, how is bringing our dog to a local dog gathering ground that is well managed not taking sole responsibility and providing for our dog? If you ask me that is exactly how you take responsibility for your pet.

Not taking responsibility for your pet is to allow him to wonder into your specific yard, possibly bother your pets, maybe even make a mess in your yard. Instead I respectfully and responsibly choose to bring my dog to a place where he is accepted and monitored.

Also a question I ask you FoxboroKaren, have you ever physically been to the dog park? Because last I can recall its far from filled with mess and trash which is what you claim is happening. "

FoxboroKaren wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:36 PM:

" Cassidy,
Your hostile post is typical of the fanatical doggie social club member mentality. Why don't you invite Norfolk County's dog population and their owners to your own yard and stop blowing smoke at the abutters? Provide for your own dog stop bothering other residents, and stop wasting the Town's time and money. I'm sure the Selectmen have much more important issues to deal with. Good grief.

THANK YOU JOSE. "

cassidy29 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 5:41 PM:

" Karen--I am a tax payer. What does your comment add to the discussion? If the dog park is miraculously closed, it is still town land. I will still take my dog there because I can. And I will, and there will be no regulations. Try reading some of the documents before you post fallacy laden missives. Thanks. "

jose21 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 5:34 PM:

" Oh no FoxboroKaren, you crossed the line. All the dog nuts are going to be barking up your tree. Dogs have risen to human status on this site. We're about a week away from reading the first article written by a pooch. Good luck! "

FoxboroKaren wrote on Oct 3, 2008 5:12 PM:

" It is the sole responsibility of the dog owner to provide for their dog.

Property owners who abut the doggie social club property pay darn good money in property taxes to the Town of Foxboro. I will always support rights of the taxpayers before the dogs. The Town of Foxboro should do the same.

My suggestion to proponents of the doggie social club? Take turns inviting all of Norfolk County to come to -your- backyard and home each day with their dogs. There you can let the dogs roam in your yard, free to make a mess at their leisure. Allow the dogs to bark, yip, play, bite, etc. Also allow their owners to be just as noisy! For an extra added bonus, let the owners leave the dog mess in your yard and let them leave their own trash, too! Keep the noise and the mess in your yard. It is obviously not welcome in the backyards of the taxpaying town residents.

I wish the abutters success with their lawsuit. The Town of Foxboro should put residents first before the dogs. "

dogparkpatron wrote on Oct 3, 2008 2:55 PM:

" No wonder the judge said no to another delay. That is the weakest "strategy" in the book, constantly going for continuances to try to bleed the other side dry. Baker's obviously got more money than he has sense, and loves to throw it his money) around, seemingly trying to equate his money with his power. Looks like it's not working this time.
Might be time for the abutters/troublemakers to call it a day and admit defeat.
Although, Valenzola DID state, numerous times at numerous meetings, that if/when he loses, he'll appeal til hell freezes over. Hey Baker, why not put your money where it can actually do some good, some public good? "

unbiasedobserver wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:49 AM:

" I made my login name when I really was unbiased, but the more I read and the more I DON'T find any actual facts, the more biased I become. I have never heard a single rational fact given for why the park should not be there, other than the standard, tired "not in my backyard" one or the ranting and raving of an obvious abutter. I've never heard a good reason why the BOS postponed the trial in the first place. Why, Mr. Thrasher and Feeney and Mortinson, would you all want this delayed a 2nd time? You all complain about this issue costing the town money, why wouldn't you want it over and done with? Unless Mr Gala is being operated on in Australia, what would prevent him from using a telephone, or having somebody visit him to inform him of any important information? "

brwmstr wrote on Oct 3, 2008 8:24 AM:

" Thank god, at least the judge has some common sense. Maybe we can finally get this ordeal over with. Why was it exactly that Mr. Gala couldn't direct the towns actions?? Because he had a sore shoulder? The trial isn't for another six weeks. Sorry Mr.Thrasher, you better come up with a better excuse than that. Have the trail and move on to real town business. "


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