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NA fire chief taking heat



North Attleboro Fire Chief Peter Lamb.




NORTH ATTLEBORO - Discord within the fire department has come to a head, with Fire Chief Peter Lamb and fire commissioners meeting behind closed doors Tuesday to discuss a series of letters that criticize the chief's management style and complain about other problems within the department.

Lamb said five letters of complaint letters written by firefighters have been sent to town hall in recent weeks.

The letters were then forwarded to the fire commission, which met with Lamb in executive session at his request because the letters relate to job performance.

Lamb said he did not anticipate any long-term decisions would be made Tuesday, but added that he may stay out of the office on personal time to help calm the situation.

"It's been a tough week and I don't know where it's going," he said. "I may take some personal time off to allow the situation to stabilize."
While he would not discuss the contents of the letters, Lamb said concerns raised in them are being taken seriously.

"I'm not going to comment about the specifics right now - I'm not even sure I've seen all of the letters," he said. "The letters were pretty critical and address my management style and operational concerns.

"The folks on the fire commission are taking these very seriously, as am I."

A message was left for commission Chairwoman Valerie Hickey prior to Tuesday's meeting, but the call was not returned.

Rumors have been floating around town about discord in the fire department, which Lamb said are the result of "heightened tensions" over several issues.

Among them was a decision made in January to house the department's second ambulance at the Kelley Boulevard Fire Station, rather than at the Allen Avenue Fire Station.

With that change, the two firefighters on duty at the Kelley Boulevard station respond to medical calls in the ambulance, in addition to responding to fire emergencies in the station's engine.

When those two firefighters are on a call, the Kelley Boulevard Fire Station is not staffed.

The change was intended to keep the ambulance in service more often in the face of reduced overtime budgets, Lamb said at the time.

"That has proved to be a very controversial decision," he said.
A message was left for the firefighters' union president, but the call was was not returned Tuesday night.

In addition, Lamb said a proposal "put through appropriate union channels" to require physicals for firefighters has been met with resistance.

Finally, he said tensions have risen as a result of the need to lay off three firefighters to balance the budget for the coming fiscal year. Those layoffs went into effect last week.

"There were recent layoffs and the firefighters kept their pay raises. That has generated some discussion," Lamb said. "These are all volatile events that have rattled the department and put me under a microscope."

 


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cutthefat wrote on Jun 19, 2009 5:19 PM:

" there goes mmarcia again writting about something she knows nothing about. get the facts 1st will you. you too valerie, this was not.....i repeat not, started by the fire dept.union. they are too scared of the type of comments being posted here even when it's not them, imagine if it really were the union that brought these issues to the surface, how nasty would the comments be then. physicals and layoffs are not the issue. safety and moral are the problems brought on by a know it all control freak who can't separate reality from cyberspace. "

mortician1974 wrote on Jun 18, 2009 2:12 AM:

" As expected this has produced quite a long thread. Who the heck ever said this is all about budget issues? There's a lot more to be known here I'm sure. The only reason people are bashing Union's here is because they ain't in one. Non-Union dept chief make their son's Capt's. They make sure their favorites get the newest gear and work all the overtime they want and get first dibs. And they send poorly trained people into tough situations. I saw it happen in our city back in the day. "

anavoter wrote on Jun 17, 2009 10:21 PM:

" Let's get the facts out before we jump to conclusions. Folks are blaming the chief for going to the press, others are saying it is the union. Some are basing their opinions based on what they have heard??? The majority of the taxpayers have NOT heard. Lets get the facts before we jump to conclusions.
I agree with the comments that rumors are rumors and we should only deal with the FACTS. I find it interesting that these "issues" have surfaced during a period of difficult budgets and belt tighterning requiring changes in the way we have tradtionaly done business.
That being said, lets hope that the Commissioners and Selectman will be able to determine/seperate issues of safety versus union issues with regard to man power and scheduling.
Naturally the union wants more people ( union dues are the revenue stream for the business called a "union") and people do not like changes in schedules.
IN the final analysis the fire department exist to serve the taxpayers. "
Let the people in charge sort through the facts and let the people know what is really going on.
I see no reason at this point for the Chief to take time off to let things stabilize. Why???? What are the real issues???? Perhaps our town "leaders " will inform the public.??
We are waiting for more information!! Hopefuly cooler heads will prevail.
We need Leadership more than ever NOW. "

local townie wrote on Jun 17, 2009 2:45 PM:

" The complaints were from individuals that had concerns within the department. This had nothing to do with the union. They were brought to the commissioners only after there could be no satisfactory resolution with the chief. Just like anyone in the private sector, we have all had issues in our careers and if you can find no happy resolution with your direct supervisor, you go to the next level. Of course, it was not shared with the public or sent to the paper. They were trying to solve this from within. Chief Lamb seemed to share it with the paper and the spin he put on it is not factual. Please keep your uninformed opinions to yourself and let this be solved internally where it belongs. Remember your rotten comments the next time your family member might need their service. "

local townie wrote on Jun 17, 2009 2:13 PM:

" The complaints were from individuals that had concerns within the department. This had nothing to do with the union. They were brought to the commissioners only after there could be no satisfactory resolution with the chief. Just like anyone in the private sector, we have all had issues in our careers and if you can find no happy resolution with your direct supervisor, you go to the next level. Of course, it was not shared with the public or sent to the paper. They were trying to solve this from within. Chief Lamb seemed to share it with the paper and the spin he put on it is not factual. Please keep your uninformed opinions to yourself and let this be solved internally where it belongs. Remember your rotten comments the next time your family member might need their service. "

attlebrained wrote on Jun 17, 2009 2:02 PM:

" No complaints about Fire Chief Peter Lamb made the paper ever before. Whats different now? Budget problems led to layoff's (which the union voted for, they could have taken a pay cut), and less money in the overtime budget. Yeah, it's hard to see whats going on here. "

paulrevere wrote on Jun 17, 2009 1:30 PM:

" Union thugs are destroying the town! Union thugs are destroying the town!

Come on negative people get off your high horse and evaluate whats happening here. Glad to see some educated people out there speaking their minds. If the Union was leading this charge against the Chief, wouldn't they be first in line for the papers. It must be really nice to be sitting at work being able to add your uneducated comments on your employers dime while YOUR town employees are trying to fix problems within their respective department. Do you really think that the firefighters are mad because they got yelled at? I am sure we have all had jobs where we got yelled at and became really mad, but we didn't do anything about it. Then one day you realized that management was the problem. You either left the job or had enough pride and dedication within yourself to fix the problem head on. Obviously other attempts have already been made to correct this issue prior to this step. I am proud of the fact our firefighters are trying to address problems to make this community safer and a better organization. I am confident the right thing, either way, will be done with the Board of Selectmen involved.

As for the comments by the Chief, it sounds like he is deflecting attention away from himself and towards the union. "

herewegoagain wrote on Jun 17, 2009 1:29 PM:

" Oh and don't forget most of them work 2 jobs to help them financially and work 80+ hours a week. Your right they have it easy. The truth will come out soon. Stop assuming. I'm sure there is more to this than any of us know. "

herewegoagain wrote on Jun 17, 2009 1:26 PM:

" Well....here we go with all the assumptions...First off this is NOT a UNION issue. This was done outside of the union. Leave it alone. Rationalres did you forget that the UNION made over 100,000 in concessions to save 3 members. Also, You don't have a clue what you are talking about!! Yes, the FF's may work 2 out of 8 days. Good for them. Look at it this way they work 2 day shifts, 2 night shifts and 2 overnights hmmm, they work weekends, holidays, family birthdays etc...And when was the last time you were woken from a sound sleep to put out a house fire or help someone that is having a heart attack....I would think NEVER. Don't take what the FF's do for granted. One day you made need them and they will come without any questions to help your sorry *** "

hawk1 wrote on Jun 17, 2009 1:23 PM:

" General Patton was removed from command of 3rd Army in WW2 in 1943. This was because of his disrespect for those under his command. Think about that. "

anavoter wrote on Jun 17, 2009 12:56 PM:

" I agree with the comments that rumors are rumors and we should only deal with the facts.

I find it interesting that these "issues" have surfaced during a period of difficult budgets and belt tighterning requiring changes in the way we have tradtionaly done business.

That being said, lets hope that the Commissioners and Selectman will be able to determine/seperate issues of safety versus union issues with regard to man power and scheduling.

Naturally the union wants more people ( union dues are the revenue stream for the business called a "union") and people do not like changes in schedules.

IN the final analysis the fire department exist to serve the taxpayers. "

jimr28 wrote on Jun 17, 2009 12:22 PM:

" Isn't funny all the speculation on what is going on and what the issues are. But unless you are privy to what the letters say and what points they make you just don't have a clue. Rumors are just that rumors.

Call firefighters exist in many area departments. They are paid per call they go to, hence the term Call Firefighter. They are not permanent members of the department that are called back on off shifts, they may work on another depart and many are call firefighters on more than 1 department. These are members of the departments who do not work as full time firefighters and most work in or around town and are available to respond when needed. "

ronr wrote on Jun 17, 2009 12:22 PM:

" Did it ever occur to anyone that this entire article is one sided? The article was obviously created at the behest of the board of fire commissioners and Chief Lamb by their print media buddy. It lacks any input from town government, and any input from the firefighters union.
There were no selectman said statements and no union said statements in the article, which makes this a print add for Chief Lamb and the BOC, which should normally cost money. But call it news and the add goes away.

This is nothing more than a wag the dog attempt, a preemptive strike by the fire commissioners and the chief against the bad bad people who questioned the great and powerful OZ.

Circle the wagons Val, they can't see in that way.

When the facts come out we can judge the issues on there merits. Until then the chronicle should charge full price for ads on the front page. For sale: Misinformation and deception.... "

hawk1 wrote on Jun 17, 2009 12:21 PM:

" I'm with southernview previous post. His thoughts makes sense. "

harkin wrote on Jun 17, 2009 12:19 PM:

" NA is a laugh a minute. So the Fire Chief makes operation decisions and the firefights, apparently not in concurrence, send letters of complaint to his boss(es). In the real world, that typically results in your boss canning you. "

rationalres wrote on Jun 17, 2009 12:02 PM:

" mmarcia--You must not pay that much attention in town. While it is not like a small-town department that is all call firemen, they still use call firefighters on larger calls or when they have multiple calls at the same time. And, a lot of these "call" firefighters are the regular firefighters being called in on any one of their 6 days off. Very similar to paid police details for every pothole that is being filled. "

mmarcia wrote on Jun 17, 2009 11:52 AM:

" rationalres: What call firefighters? NA got rid of them years ago!

attle123: get over yourself. Why don't YOU take the English class? "

rationalres wrote on Jun 17, 2009 11:48 AM:

" The union is just upset because most of the call firefighters are being eliminated due to the budget constraints and the other cutbacks for next year. How is this the Chief's fault? Funny how they weren't complaining when they received a 6% pay increase for 3 years in a row. And the proposal to require annual physicals is already in the firefighters' contract. The Chief is trying to enforce language that is already there. But, because the prior Chief didn't follow through on the annual physicals the union is claiming...you guessed it..."past practice" and that it has to be bargained AGAIN to reinstate what is already there. Sorry guys...I know you like to be fearmongers with the public's emotions, but you lead a pretty good life working 2 out of every 8 days. "

hardhearted wrote on Jun 17, 2009 11:18 AM:

" Southern View -- I think you should know by now that the North Attleborough town motto is "I'll see you in court" "

RLincoln wrote on Jun 17, 2009 10:52 AM:

" It would appear that the union's grievance is misplaced, and should be directed toward the selectmen and town manager. Budget cuts have forced the chief to take actions that he does not want to implement and knows are detrimental to the performance of the dept. But it's either that or more layoffs. The FFs have a legitimate problem with the rescue relocated and insufficient staffing. Since they can't get the word to the public any other way, they've chosen to use the chief for their venue. Right or wrong, they have serious problems trying to maintain the excellent service you've all enjoyed, and only money can solve these problems. "

attle123 wrote on Jun 17, 2009 10:17 AM:

" crazedkooks, being well equiped has nothing to do with unions. Also, experience varies with every department. Why don't you wait a second and think before going out and bashing unions and saying that they are less experienced and cannot provide a good level of protection for a community. That is just dumb. I understand that some unions are too pushy, but your public comments are way too ridiculous. Why don't you take an English Class on the union and practice your spelling. The union wants to educate their members. Maybe you missed that memo. "

mmarcia wrote on Jun 17, 2009 10:16 AM:

" Unions have run their course - look at the Boston Globe. They don't want 8% pay cuts, but they'll take the 23% pay cut the paper wants to give them? Come on - times are tough, people!

The Prov PD voted "no confidence". That's not an ouster (the chief works for the city, not the police department), it means they don't trust him because of some of his decisions.

The fire comm met in closed session because it's a personnel matter. Do you want to meet in the open with your boss when it's review time or there's a problem? The law says that these matters HAVE to be in closed session. "

Dastew613 wrote on Jun 17, 2009 10:01 AM:

" reason101 and others, please wait until all the facts come out and they will. This is NOT and I repeat NOT about the union. The writer who wrote at the top of this states that there is only one side that has been presented so far. Since the issues were discussed behind closed doors at the request of the Chief it stands to reason he can state anything he wants right now in the papers. Please wait until all citizens of NA have ALL facts in this issue. Don't jump to conclusions.
crazedkook, sorry you may have to eat your words in the end when it becomes apparent that there is serious, very serious issues going on at the Firehouse between the Chief and the staff. Just remember there are 2 sides to every story and again this is soooo not about the Union or even the budget. Breath and wait until it all comes out and you just might see the the very men you are upset with right now are really the ones working to make sure you and yours are safe. "

local townie wrote on Jun 17, 2009 8:59 AM:

" What was in the paper today, seemed to be from Chief Lamb's perspective. There is much more to the story than what was printed. It is unfair to make assumptions without full knowledge of what the real issues are within the department. "

hawk1 wrote on Jun 17, 2009 8:41 AM:

" Respect will go a long way in any relationship be it family,personal, or at work. I agree with southernview. Common sense sometimes lacks when emotions run high. "

crazedkooks wrote on Jun 17, 2009 8:33 AM:

" The Unions are destroying small towns, they think that they can not be touched or that they are better than everyone else. Well guess what, they are no different than you or me. I served on a non union fire dept for 5 years and then on a union run fire dept for 5 years. and out of the 2 the non union dept was much more experianced and better equiped than the union department and above all more involved in the community than Union departments.

Chief Lamb is just being used as a scapegoat over the whole budget thing, If it was left to the unions they would spend all the money in the town budget and then say they want more and more and think that raising taxes is the fair way to go rather than figuring out a more responsible way to balance the budget as Chief Lamb has. "

Southern View wrote on Jun 17, 2009 8:24 AM:

" If one looks at all the infighting in this small town over the past decade, you might wonder if there is something in the water. Maybe there are too many "educated" people in the town and not enough people with common sense or respect for others. But the slogan should be "can't we all just get along". "

Big Red 1 wrote on Jun 17, 2009 8:14 AM:

" I generally side against unions in most situations but having heard what has been going on lately at the station, I am siding with the union in this case. They are in the right this time. "

Ignorance_sux wrote on Jun 17, 2009 8:06 AM:

" Providence Police just had a vote to try and oust their Chief. This seems to be happening more often than not these days. Are the chiefs the issue? Or are these unions getting to be too fussy? Pick your battles people, everything in life is not going to be perfect. "

reb715 wrote on Jun 17, 2009 7:22 AM:

" I am new to town and have dealt with Chief Lamb on several issues. This man has handled every situation with courtesy and professionlism......just my opinion... "

reason101 wrote on Jun 17, 2009 7:00 AM:

" Once again the unions in this town have too much power. If a department head does something that is not liked by the union it is cooked up by union that he or she is a poor manager.Another words the tail wags the dog in North Attleboro. Wake up people of North Attleboro. "