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'A very difficult show'



Among those waiting in Wrentham District Court on Monday were concertgoers taken into custody during Saturday’s New England Country Music Festival at Gillette Stadium. State and Foxboro police held 287 individuals before, during and after the concert on a variety of charges. (Staff photo by Martin Gavin)




Night of fun leads to day in court for teenagers
WRENTHAM - For Henry, a western Massachusetts college student on a long awaited pilgrimage to hear his favorite country music star, Sunday's Kenny Chesney concert at Gillette Stadium came to an unanticipated end when he and three buddies were arrested for having a cooler of beer.

"We never even got to the concert," said Henry, 19, who declined to give his real name. "I got my tickets in January. I'd been looking forward to it a long time. I'm a big fan."

Instead, Henry and 287 other defendants found themselves caught up in a massive crackdown over alcohol - specifically, underage drinking - as a result of an accident last year in which two young women were killed leaving the stadium area.

Henry and his pals faced charges of underage possession of alcohol Monday in Wrentham District Court, where an extra judge had to be called in and scores of defendants waited in the lobby for their cases to be heard.

With the overflow crowd, some defendants sat on the marble floors or stood with their parents, pending their arraignments.
Among those waiting in Wrentham District Court on Monday were concertgoers taken into custody during Saturday's New England Country Music Festival at Gillette Stadium. (Staff photo by Martin Gavin)
Charges ranged from trespassing to illegal alcohol possession to procuring alcohol for minors.

Henry said he was unaware of the well-publicized crackdown on tailgate drinking at the event following the deaths of Alexa C. Latteo, 19, of Mansfield, and Debra Davis, 20, of Milton, in a one-car crash during last year's show.

"I can understand why they did it," Henry said of the police response this year.

Henry said he and his pals were placed under arrest when police found the cooler in their vehicle. The quintet was kept in a holding area at the stadium.

Henry said he was concerned over the possibility of having a criminal conviction on his record and said he hoped his face wouldn't show up on TV news footage taken of the courthouse.

Many young defendants arrived with their parents, none of whom seemed eager to talk about the experience.

"Nooooo comment," said one middle-age man, shaking his head, as he escorted a young man and a young woman from the courthouse.

One 18-year-old who attended the concert with friends said he was arrested even though he was drinking a bottle of water, rather than alcohol. He admitted that his friends did bring alcohol with them, however.

Under the law, underage persons can be charged with possession of alcohol whether they had alcohol in their direct possession or whether they only had access to and control over it.

The college student faulted some of the officers for what he called abuse.
"Some of the cops were yelling and swearing at us and calling us faggots," he said.

Asked whether he had seen anyone throwing bottles and other debris at police officers, the young man said he hadn't.

"No, I didn't. Did they? They should have," he said of hurled missiles.

One teenage man, dressed in a white shirt and tie, was more contrite.

"I never thought this would happen," he said. "It's something. You live, you learn. I know I was wrong."

Some of the young defendants said they thought police were excessive in the way they treated suspects.

"The police put several of us in the back of the paddy wagon, where it was hot, and we had to wait a long time. One of them asked, 'How's the air conditioning back there,'" said a 21-year-old woman who would only say that she is from "up north."

One defendant said he thought police were "a little harsh" in the way they treated those who were arrested, but "nothing really extreme."

Police Chief Edward O'Leary said he has received no complaints concerning the treatment of anyone taken into custody.

O'Leary, at a news conference Monday, said that if anyone has a complaint concerning their treatment they should contact the department and the allegations will be investigated.

Rick Foster can be reached at 508-236-0360 or rfoster@thesunchronicle.com.

Arrest list

The following is a list of individuals arrested at the New England Country Music Festival. This list was obtained from law enforcement officials.

Arrested for being minors in possession of alcohol were: Erin E. Meehan, 18, of 42 Overlook Drive in Norwood; Kylee D. Reardon, 18, of 8 Overlook Drive in Norwood; Catherine S. Kemmy, 19, of 323 Prospect St. in Norwood; Mary Katherine McCann, 18, of 9 Second St. in Norwood; Gavin S. Driscoll, 20, of 87 Sunnyside Road in Norwood; Michael Simoni, 19, of 112 Garden Parkway in Norwood; and Mark L. Whalen, 19, of 32 Inverness Road in Norwood.

Also: Stephen Burke, 18, of 75 Chapel St. in Holden; Brett M. Murphy, 17, of 12 Country Way in Shrewsbury; Kristine Berube, 18, of 108 Town Farm Road in Westminster; Kritan E. Dziurzynski, 17, of 15 Crescent St. in Groton Long Point, Conn.; Matthew Morin, 19, of 38 Sexton Ave. in Westwood; and Justin P. Garilli, 19, of 10 Dawn Marie Circle in Franklin.

Also: Alissa Lannan, 20, of 63 Sawmill Lane in Medfield; Michelle N. Brozonos, 19, of 184 Hart St. in Beverly; Brooke C. Lally, 18, of 58 Norman Road in Quincy; Rebecca Ann Jones, 19, of 16 Turner Hill Road in Medfield; Jacquelyn Arabia, 18, of 15 Andrea Drive in Braintree; Kerry M. Cavanagh, 18, of 15 Pontiac Road in Quincy; and Michael A. Manna, 20, of 477 Washington St. in Easton;

Also: Molly E. Sullivan, 18, of 14 Bradford Road in Kingston; Daniel B. Troy, 18, of 51 Fieldstone Road in Westwood; Kyle M. Tucke, 18, of 43 School St. in Westwood; Justin S. Kucher, 17, of 308 Weatherbee Drive in Westwood; Brendan M. Leahy, 18, of 31 Carroll Ave. in Westwood; Ryan M. Walsh, 18, of 21 Church St. in Westwood; and Michael Flaherty, 19, of 50 Marilyn Way in Halifax.

Also: Ryan Crowley, 20, of 18 Brian David Way in Weymouth; Patrick Greene, 19, of 238 King Philip St. in South Weymouth; Brendan Greene, 17, of 238 King Philip St. in South Weymouth; Joseph Greene, 20, of 238 King Philip St. in South Weymouth; Anne Marie Memhard, 19, of 9 Graystone Road in Gloucester; and Michael M. White, 17, of 9 Tanbark Road in Marstons Mills.

Also: Kyle P. Fontaine, 17, of 625 Hawkins Neck Road in Centerville; Tyler J. Spaulding, 19, of 18 Bell Lane in Hollis, N.H.; Donald J. Turner, 18, of 17 Emerson Lane in Hollis, N.H.; Patrick A. Laverty, 18, of 110 Francis Ave. in Shrewsbury; Robert E. Fitzgerald, 17, of 7 Straw Hollow Lane in Shrewsbury; Chad A. Rodgers, 18, of 25 Old Runnells Ridge Road in Hollis, N.H.; and Alex F. Martin, 19, of 45 Twiss Lane in Hollis, N.H.

Also: Christopher J. Siegel, 19, of 19 Butternut Circle in Holden; Brendan J. Hassett, 19, of 192 Main St. in Holden; Michael A. Rondinone, 19, of 104 Beaman Road in Sterling; Morgan E. Kelley, 17, of 14 Meetinghouse Road in Methuen; William R. Rogazzo, 20, of 82 Tanya Drive in Mansfield; Sinead Foley, 18, of 292 Central St. in Mansfield; and Bryan Pickell, 20, of 22 Morgan Drive in Narragansett, R.I.

Also: Kyle J. Brough, 20, of 2 Mast Court in Wakefield; Kevin J. McBride, 20, of 74 Chestnut St. in Saugus; Shaun Wells, 18, of 24 Shelton Ave. in Wolcott, Conn.; Matthew N. Abbott, 18, of Quebec, Canada; Joshua M. Dollinger, 19, of Quebec, Canada; Dexter W. Church, 19, of Quebec, Canada; Shayn A. Robitaille, 19, of 8 Clark St. in Milford; and Siobhan B. Elvin, 17, of 14 Gilmore Terrace in West Roxbury.

Also: Wayne L. Simpson, 19, of 36 Priest Lane in Boxboro; Christopher P. Hearne, 19, of 707 Broughs Road in Boxboro; Lindsy V. Owens, 18, of 25 Overlook Drive East in Framingham; Erin M. Greenstein, 18, of 6 Lowry Road in Framingham; Derek P. Dubois, 18, of 44 Cogswell St. in Haverhill; and Augustus P. Castoldi, 19, of 62 Front St. in Marblehead.

Also: Benjamin Etten, 20, of 64 Irene Drive in Hollis, N.H.; Julian M. Buckner, 17, of 27 Chestnut St. in Brookline; Kathryn M. Calvin, 19, of 37 Hoinski Way in Ansonia, Conn.; Molly Butler, 19, of 29 Cake St. in Dorchester; Karla Rotondi, 20, of 24 Lincoln Road in Tewksbury; Stacey E. Amodio, 20, of 6 Maplecrest Lane in North Haven, Conn.; and John McGonigle, 17, of 15 Longmeadow Drive in Canton.

Arrested on disorderly conduct charges were:

Richard J. Lavvee, 25, of 43 Bridge St. in Northampton; Robert A. Jerome, 45, of 3 Susan St. in Buzzards Bay; Julieanne Babcock, 20, of 25 Bicknell St. in Billerica; Brad J. Cochran, 32, of 75 Matheson St. #B15 in Cranston, R.I.; Joseph Ferris, 20, of 1020 Hancock St. in Abington; Joseph A. Kelleher, 30, of 10 Saco St. in Dorchester; and Aoife A. Keenan, 29, of 115 Neck St. in Weymouth.

Arrested on trespassing charges were: Kimberly A. Picanso, 30, of 75 Porter Winds Road in Seabrook N.H.; Christopher J. Jianetti, 21, of 170 South Broadway in North Attleboro; and Brad M. O’Brien, 18, of 24 Sherbrook St. in Tyngsboro.

Arrested and charged with procuring liquor for a minor was Brianna L. Hassett, 21, of 192 Main St. in Holden.

Arrested on multiple charges were: Brian Labriola, 30, of 54 Brookbridge Road in Stoneham; trespassing and resisting arrest.

Gary T. Henry, 30, of 3 Sylvester Road in Dorchester; disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

Mark. E. Cocuzzo, 20, of 27 Epping St. in Arlington; two counts of possession of a Class E substance.

Jennifer Lee Ultsch, 27, of 51 Huntley Road in North Attleboro; disorderly conduct and interfering with an arrest.

Joseph A. Antosca, 30, of 71 Messenger St. #818 in North Attleboro; disorderly conduct and fighting.

James T. Mulroy Jr., 20, of 51 Forest St. in Needham; disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

Laura A. Vallett, 22, of 181 Silver St. in Taunton; disorderly conduct and assault & battery on a police officer.

Allison Neal of Wolfeboro Falls, N.H.; disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and assault & battery on a police officer.

Leonard M. French, 19, of 7 Gray Pond Road in Franklin; disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

Robert B. Macaleese, 22, of 80 Pemberton St. in Walpole; trespassing and resisting arrest.

Gene R. Scholefield, 28, of 4 Wildes Court in Ipswich; disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

Scott W. Williamson, 19, of 374 Day Road in Brewer, Maine; being a minor in possession of alcohol, resisting arrest and two counts of assault & battery on a police officer.

There were also a number of juvenile arrests, with authorities withholding information about their identities.

 


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countryfan wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:04 PM:

" " I would like to point out the TOTAL number of people who were there. The stadium, during events like this, seats something in the range of 70,000. 300 out of 70,000 is less thant 1%. Now take into account concerts that occur somewhere such as comcast that seats somewhere around 14,00. If people heard that 40/50 people gotten arrested at an event there, would as big a deal be made? even though in the long run its the same percentage of people... " "

jrjrg123 wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:31 AM:

" It appears that the problem is that alcohol use by the underaged is at epidemic proportions. I wonder why ? Do you think it might have something to do with the wide acceptance of booze by the adult population ? Or maybe the way the advertisers and their commercials portray such a good time while useing thier product ? Kind of makes it hard to resist when there is a sign sign everywhere a sign on Main st. USA, TV,Sporting events,Concerts, Heck Kenny Chessny was riding around in a bus with Coors Beer advertised all over it. I think Alcohol should be treated like cigaretts are being treated like a cancer of sociaty that it is. It kills a lot more inocent people than tobaco ever did. Even if some one is smoking cigeretts it would be highly likely that they would go out and kill someone like people who drink alcohol do...Oh yea right i for got the warning that the vendors must put with their adds now. DRINK RESPONSIBLY, That really helps. " "

dspots wrote on Aug 19, 2009 1:08 AM:

" BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFS!!!!! "

liss wrote on Aug 18, 2009 9:37 PM:

" don't be in possession of alcohol as a minor, and then complain when you miss your concert because you got arrested. it's your own d@mn fault. "

jrjrg123 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:39 PM:

" By the looks of that Foxboro chief it just looks like he has a bad case of the little man syndrome or mybe an imbalance of female hormones within himself.Hey its a free country, I Think ??? Wonder if the cops will come hunt me down for my comments ??? "

jrjrg123 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:34 PM:

" The police have a job to do, It takes a certain kind of person to be a cop. It's called an alfa male or in the case of a woman officer it would be an imbalance of female to male hormones. Either way these types crave control over others. The higher rank that they reach the more respect they demand as would be the same with most professions except the police can dominate over others with their power of force or the the threat of proscecution even if you did nothing at all. I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT BUT IT SOUNDED GOOD AT THE TIME !!! HA HA HA HA "

ButtercupW wrote on Aug 18, 2009 6:21 PM:

" Mmarcia, that's just the kind of attitude that makes the PD know that they can get away with abuse. Police are professionals, who carry guns- if they can't control their tempers on the job, that's a scary thing- just the kind of thing that leads to a college student being thrown to the ground, sat on & suffocated for a comment that he made. Would you feel the same way if that college student was your child?Being drunk doesn't mean that the police can be abusive to the citizens who fund their paychecks or even the children of those citizens. "

mmarcia wrote on Aug 18, 2009 6:05 PM:

" Why should the police deny a permit for this event? Because some people see it as a good way to party and get drunk? You can't single out some - you have to cancel ALL concerts.

Remember that most of these people didn't have tickets - they were just there for a party! As for the jimmy Buffett comparison - Buffett fans tend to be older

As for the stadium and the FPD, they should have stuck by their original "Gates open at 1:00" rule. and if there was any abuse, I'm sure it was started by some drunk teenager. "

ButtercupW wrote on Aug 18, 2009 5:28 PM:

" Concernedjean, the Foxborough PD has a long history of verbally abusing teenagers when no adults are around to witness. People do complain but the Foxborough Police Chief always falls back on the old line that he knows nothing about the situation & besides, you know how kids are, they exaggerate or make things up. The Foxborough Police say things to kids that they'd never say to an adult, knowing that the kids have no power- & when they're called on it, they deny it ever happened. Comments regarding supposed sexual orientation seem to be a favorite, but there are many others that are just as politically incorrect or hurtful. While I'm a firm believer in the justice system, I also believe that police should treat everyone with respect in the course of their jobs, not just adults who might be able to fight back. Nasty comments about character, appearance, weight, family, etc. are unnecessary & unprofessional. While these verbal abuses may not seem like much to some people, it means a lot to the teens they're hurled at & should not be tolerated. I understand that the police may often be under stress, but the rest of us aren't allowed to take out our anger on others in the course of their jobs & the police should be expected to show similar restraint. "

rkturcotte wrote on Aug 18, 2009 4:28 PM:

" Hey, bottom line is 287 were arrested but over 50,000 people went. that's not so bad. Kids are going to be kids and you are not going to stop them from trying now or 10 years from now. 287 people should not ruin it for all the other people who went out and had fun and obeyed the law. It wasn't all bad. They try to drink wheather it is a concert or just nothing to do on any given night. I am not sure why the concert takes the blame for the kids behavior. "

mcgruff wrote on Aug 18, 2009 4:08 PM:

" blah blah blah "

jrjrg123 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:55 PM:

" 160 officers and 288 arrest,They could have made a lot more arrest i'm sure, if they had the room for them. Lets face it it's not 1976 anymore. This proves that the police mean buisness in this area. So knock it off till your twenty one people. "

concernedjean wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:17 PM:

" And I should have said they were anonymous to the reporter taking care of this story. Not in front of cameras. Sorry. Free country, and if you don't like what people write on blogs, don't read them. "

concernedjean wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM:

" If something really happened, and a cop was out of line, they should file a complaint. What is the point of saying "the cops called me a f@ggot" and then not filing a complaint? Just because you are trying to get the public on your side that the cops were mean and picking on them. As of today no complaints were filed. If someone was honestly treated poorly, they should step forward. "

chiman1111 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:14 PM:

" All I can say is if I was under aged and had tickets to a Kenny Chesney show I would definitely need to be drunk in order to go through the torture of listening to him perform! Poor kids had to endure this guy without a buzz. My sympathies to you all!!!! LOL!!! "

offended wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:13 PM:

" Okaaay...I love that speaking "in front of news cameras" is anonymous. You're faulting them for having a complaint about being mistreated. They can't have their side to the story? I just love the people that blog here sometimes. "

concernedjean wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:10 PM:

" offended - wasn't talking about anyone here. i just can't believe we are still hearing about it on the news. kids drank illegally, and got caught, and now they are in trouble. its almost like they are trying to trick us into believing the kids are the victims. there are bigger things out there going on then kids getting caught drinking, and having their lives possibly saved by someone stepping in and intervening. "

concernedjean wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:09 PM:

" And come on, kids that got caught doing something bad figure they can get off easier if they say the cops mistreated them. No one has filed any complaints with the department. If someone actually did treat me that poorly, I would complain, not just talk about it in front of news cameras anonymously. Everyone I've spoken to said that the cops behaved fine and well within the lines they are supposed to. Sorry, if someone hurls a bottle at me, I may have choice words for them too. "

offended wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:09 PM:

" ummm, idiots? Who is still debating it? Nice. What would we do without concerned Jean to explain it all to us? No one is debating that Jean. Chill. "

concernedjean wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:07 PM:

" Are we seriously still debating this?
IF YOU ARE UNDER 21 YEARS OLD AND YOU ARE CAUGHT WITH ALCOHOL YOU WILL BE PLACED UNDER ARREST. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. Don't act all surprised like you DID NOT KNOW IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW. Idiots. "

offended wrote on Aug 18, 2009 1:34 PM:

" They attempted to bring a cooler of beer into the lot...lots of people got away with that. are you kidding me? And you call them morons? And they are not whining about it either. The only complaint from the article was about how the police treated some of them. "

MarkTalk.com wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:32 PM:

" Oh Whaaaaa. Poor baby got caught with an illegal cooler full of hooch. What moron thinks he's going to stroll past security with that?

Is it possible to charge the "victims" in this story with Felony Stupid? "

ADrock8 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:59 AM:

" The parking lots are the show. It's a Jimmy Buffett concert with slightly better music. I agree, if anyone broke the law in any way and were caught it's their fault they were arrested. They do check tickets before you get in the parking lots, just not for authenticity. You only need one ticket to get a car full of people in, and if you walk over you don't need any tickets at all. They also check ID if they think you may be underage and drinking. This concert/party is a great time each year when it comes around. How about if your worried about underage drinking don't let your kids go to the concert, go with them or do some better parenting. Oh ya I forgot that's the police and Robert Kraft's job. Looking forward to many more years of this tour to come to town. "

Liza5326 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:35 AM:

" The sad thing is that those who were arrested probably won't get more than a slap on the wrist. There should be stiffer penalities so they might actually learn from their mistakes. My parents would have killed me! A lot of them think they are invincible and that it would never happen to them, so they keep doing it. "

nebaseball wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:34 AM:

" did these kids break the law? yes. should they be punished? absolutely. With that being said and clear there is absolutely NO reason for police to be using racial, homophobic slurs and directing them at kids. I hope that if this is true the young man who was arrested found out the officer's name and badge number and that officer is punished in some way, suspended or fined or something. those actions are completely uncalled for especially by someone who is in a position of power such as a police officer. I am not saying that the kids should not have been arrested i agree 100% with the arrest but the actions of the officer need to be addressed. "

hardhearted wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:23 AM:

" I think if the police went looking for the underage drinkers at football games they would find plenty. Soccer tends to be more of a family crowd so maybe not as much.
It would be unfair to ban this event because of the few who don't know the rules.
Maybe if they posted a sign at the lot entrances that said alcohol violations will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and then backed it with enforcement. "

Informed wrote on Aug 18, 2009 10:44 AM:

" The football and soccer games and other concerts don't have problems of this magnitude. Foxboro selectmen should deny a license for this event when it comes before them next year! "

simpleton wrote on Aug 18, 2009 10:38 AM:

" One of these suspects was once a long snapper! "

Southern View wrote on Aug 18, 2009 10:17 AM:

" Eliminate all concerts at the stadium. That won't stop underage drinking, but it might free up a few dozen police officers so they can concentrate on more serious crime- but that won't bring as much money into state coffers, will it? It all comes down to money- just follow the money. Same o, same o. "

mmarcia wrote on Aug 18, 2009 9:57 AM:

" magnetic has a point, but what about the parents who think you can't have a good time without alcohol? They have taight their kids well, don'tcha think?

Amen to that, Liza5326, but there will be more underage kids who think they have a better way to hide their booze from the cops.

There's a memorial at the site of last years' crash that killed one 20-year-old and injured her two friends. At the site is a sign that says something like "Stop Underage Drinking at the Country music Festival". We know it will never happen, especially in this are, where underage drinking is an art. And very,very sad. I'd rather see no more memorials to young drunks who died at the side of the road; that won't happen either. "

realist wrote on Aug 18, 2009 9:52 AM:

" Henry should be more than familiar with the laws of his home state.
ANd others should know that if you are in the company of underage drinkers whether or not you are 21 you will have some explaining to do. "

wiseone wrote on Aug 18, 2009 9:50 AM:

" I think teenagers will try to get away with anything they think they can. Poor judgment is synomyous with immaturity and lack of experience. I think the police should not only insist on a ticket to enter the parking lot but for age identification and the ability to search the car. If the majority of the booze being brought in illegaly was confiscated, many of the arrests could be avoided. I have never understood how and why anyone can bring alcohol into a parking lot of a privately owned stadium and drink and party. I can't go to the local Stop and Shop and sit in their parking lot and drink a beer with a six pack on my seat. Tailgating doesn't bring any revenue for the stadium so why is it allowed? "

magnetic1 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 9:03 AM:

" I think everyone can guess who "Henry" is after reading this list...
What I don't get is, if these young kids waited SO long to get tickets and couldn't wait to see the concert, why didn't they do just that; see the concert? Why did they feel the need to drink? ~ Was it peer pressure? ~ Were they forced to drink by others around them?
Either way, they made the decision to drink and were arrested for making the wrong one...
I feel for the parents that are now ashamed and embarrased that their child made the wrong judgement call and to try to fit in with the other underage drinkers whom all have a record to deal with... "

Liza5326 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:47 AM:

" Those that were underage and in posession have no reason to whine and cry about getting arrested and missing the concert. You broke the law and you knew it. You got what you deserved! Hopefully next time you won't make the same mistake! "

magnetic1 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 7:52 AM:

" I think everyone can guess who "Henry" is after reading this list...
What I don't get is, if these young kids waited SO long to get tickets and couldn't wait to see the concert, why didn't they do just that; see the concert? Why did they feel the need to drink? ~ Was it peer pressure? ~ Were they forced to drink by others around them?
Either way, they made the decision to drink and were arrested for making the wrong one...
I feel for the parents that are now ashamed and embarrased that their child made the wrong judgement call and to try to fit in with the other underage drinkers whom all have a record to deal with... "