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Blown call is not the end of world




We all make bad decisions, every day. Fortunately, many of them do not have severe repercussions.

The decisions made by those in power can have a much larger impact and should be closely scrutinized.

Decisions regarding funding for the homeless, or jobs programs, or classroom sizes, for example, should receive our utmost attention and should trigger substantive debate.

Decisions regarding troop deployment, unemployment benefits, and healthcare policies are of critical importance. Any hint of bad decision-making in these arenas should evoke our collective outcry.

The decision of a football coach to go for it on fourth down, while of some importance, pales by comparison. I wish we demonstrated half as much passion about what really matters as we do about the frivolities of life. Instead of debating the wisdom of the coach's decision, let's debate its weight.

Mike Zonghetti, Mansfield

We're becoming nation of frogs on the stove

Progressive Democrat Woodrow Wilson said that "We must demand that the individual shall be willing to lose the sense of personal achievement and shall be content to realize his activity only in connection to the activity of the many." Sounds like something the Borg would say.

When humans lose any sense of personal achievement, they eventually devolve into a lower life form, a parasite.

In the last century, wrote Glenn Beck in his book "Common Sense," progressives have successfully moved our country toward more government control and less personal freedom.

He wrote that the progressives and the Founders both view the Constitution as a set of handcuffs; the difference is that the progressives are handcuffing the power of the people and the Founders were handcuffing the power of the government.

There will be only one winner in this zero-sum game. James Madison said "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpation."

America is dying a death by a thousand cuts. We are slowly bleeding to death.

We are like frogs put in a pan of cold water, and then the stove is turned on.

We'll be boiled to death soon and we won't even know how it happened.

Anna DeMarinis, North Attleboro

House takes fascist turn on health care

On Nov. 7, the House voted to strip Americans of the freedom to choose their own health care products - or to choose none at all.

Under the current House bill, which a vast majority of Democrats voted in favor of, if a person is judged by the IRS to be able to afford healthcare, and does not buy it from the government, he will be fined or put in jail for up to one year per offense!

This is not creeping incrementalism.

Real fascism at the point of a gun is here, in the person of Nancy Pelosi and in the name of the House Democrats.

I urge everyone to fight this unconstitutional nightmare!

Scott Anderson, Seekonk



 


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s-plumb wrote on Nov 21, 2009 10:53 AM:

" socal1
1) Why should you have to pay if you're insured? You obviously care little about the poor and middle class.
2) Most likely (there has been language in earlier bills) it will be illegal to purchase care outside the system. "

1-20-2013 wrote on Nov 20, 2009 10:06 PM:

" Van Jones...name ring a bell ?
The One's "Green Jobs Czar"
A self-avowed communist.
If not for Glenn Beck, would you have known that ?
Hint: The answer is NO.
Is he still the "Green Jobs Czar" ?
Hint: The answer is NO.
Thank You, Mr. Beck. "

socal1 wrote on Nov 20, 2009 8:57 PM:

" Anna-Are you "setting in stone" that women who want mammograms before their 50th birthday would be unable to get one? Here's a novel idea for you Anna, why couldn't the woman just pay for it out of her own pocket? "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 7:03 PM:

" "the quicker 0bama collapses our nation, the quicker we can rebuild."

Geez, s-plumb, you sound like one of those ancient communists attacking the nation from within. "

gimmesum wrote on Nov 20, 2009 6:09 PM:

" Harkin: Why did I feel more optimistic with Bush at the helm vs Obama at the helm? (keep in mind, I was looking for hope and change with Bush) "

celt wrote on Nov 20, 2009 6:06 PM:

" I had nearly forgotten about those darn Cummunists. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 6:03 PM:

" harkin: In the examples you present, with the exception of the Civil War, the threats were from outside. As all Maxists and Cummunist leaders warned we would destroy ourselves from within.
The only benefit is that the quicker 0bama collapses our nation, the quicker we can rebuild. You better learn how to fish hunt and grow your own food. "

Anna D wrote on Nov 20, 2009 5:44 PM:

" Obama will be smiling as women are unable to get mammograms before age 50 and arn't taught how to self-exam. I'd like to know what all the women who have died of breast cancer in their 30's and 40's would think about this latest effort to reduce the cost of healthcare. Rationing and killing people off quicker - that's government healthcare at its best. I'm actually an optimist, harkin, and I think we'll survive Obama. Barely. But if you don't like my posts, quit reading them. Nobody is forcing you. "

harkin wrote on Nov 20, 2009 5:16 PM:

" "America is dying a death by a thousand cuts. We are slowly bleeding to death."

We seem to have survived a civil war, a Great Depression, two world wars, the Cold War, and seem to be doing rather well on the War on Terror. I don't agree that we're dying - we're doing fairly well. People across the world still seem to flock to the US.

Strange what a mere 8 years does. Post 9/11, we had good standing in the world and the country was pretty united. Unfortunately, Bush pi$$ed all that feeling of nationalism and world respect out the door. Now we're all running scared: scared about jobs, the economy, global warming, terrorists, illegal immigrants, and fictional Death Panels.

Pessimists like Beck and Anna D suck the life out of a room. Why anyone wants to listen to criticism and complaint 24/7 is beyond me. At least Obama speaks optimistically. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 5:04 PM:

" Did you want the police report, or Brian's notes? "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 4:36 PM:

" Well find out, s-plumb, find out and report back, pronto!
Can I get fries with my frogs? "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 4:05 PM:

" The taxes start on day one, but the "plan" doesn't start until 4-5 years later. Nobody knows what happens as employers are forced to discontinue coverage, and no one can answer how much the premiums will be for gov't insurance. The best part is that the same amount of people will be insured as there are today. You'll never see your dr again, as they'll most likely be lotteries and clinics, as we see in every other country with socialized care. "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 3:38 PM:

" Today, we are all boiled frogs. "

Anna D wrote on Nov 20, 2009 2:52 PM:

" The Senate's government takeover of healthcare has a new marriage penalty tax. "Senate Democrats' health care bill would create a new marriage penalty by imposing a tax on individuals who make $200,000 annually but hitting married couples making just $50,000 more." Of course, the Botox Tax might cover the entire nation if just Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and John Kerry actually paid that tax. Then again, Democrats don't pay their taxes... Never mind. "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 2:19 PM:

" The sky is falling... "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 2:02 PM:

" To those who honestly care, please call your senators today, and tell them to shut down HR 3590. We cannot afford gov't run health care.
No one has read the 2054 page bill, which will ruin medical care as we know it.
If they open debate tomorrow, a final bill CANNOT be stopped, and there is NO turning back.
No benefits would even be available until '2014; so what is the hurry?
TARP I&II failed, as did the stimulus. This is much more critical.

. "

orly_taitz wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:52 PM:

" Well, it wouldn't be the original, now would it. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:50 PM:

" vlad: Would you like me to post the information here? As long as I have your permission, I'd be glad to. "

orly_taitz wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:44 PM:

" You do have a birth certificate, don't you, Mr. Plumb? For our files... "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:42 PM:

" Well, keep checking s-plumb. I can see we have the right man on the case. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:41 PM:

" mikie...you still cannot present a point of view. All you can do is change names and ask for a birth certificate...same old same old. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:38 PM:

" vlad: ask anita dunn she'd know...it's her job.
0bama is killing a country, so I'm focused on the real problem that he's proud to take credit for, not a lie that you've created.
There was an alleged manslaughter case in NA in '2008 though. I don't think Beck was in on that one. "

orly_taitz wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:38 PM:

" Honestly Mr. Splumb, your comments are stranger and stranger. I don't think you are in the right country. We want to see your original birth certificate...the long form please, with all the attachments. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:32 PM:

" 1st Great News! 0bama is now below 50%, even in today's gallup poll. 49% and dropping like a rock

celt: why would I rely on a Soros funded site, ideally not connected to the WH, when I should be listening to the agenda of 0bama and his minions, in their own words, and take them at face value?

Your problem is that Beck has given these videos air time.
mmm...mmm...mmm Barack Hussein 0bama...mmm...mmm...mmm "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:21 PM:

" Whenever s-plumb peeks out of the cellar window, all he sees are unconstitutional takeovers everywhere.

Hey has anyone proved that Glenn Beck did not rape and murder a girl in 1990?
I mean, where is the proof? S-plumb, that's your assignment. Now get busy. "

celt wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:16 PM:

" S-P, I am never quite sure what it is you are trying to say. But I did not say or imply that Obama "debunked" Beck. Obama is the President of the most powerful country in the world. It is not his job to "debunk" a nitwit entertainer like Beck. You really cannot see anything beyond your nose. It's a big world out there read up on it. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:04 PM:

" oops...anita dunn hill was the hit woman for Justice Thomas "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:03 PM:

" celt:You mean 0bama has debunked him. Or was it Anita Hill who debunked him. After-all that was her assignment. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:01 PM:

" mike, pls enlighten us...you're not making sense. "

celt wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:01 PM:

" S-Plumb, I do not find your endorsement of Beck comforting. I suspect that you believe everyone who agrees with you is brilliant and honest. You could use a little perspective. There are been plenty of people who have "debunked" Beck's statements. Here's a thought: go to Google and enter, "debunking glenn beck." "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 12:58 PM:

" ps911fan: I guess if s-plumb believes harkin's list of good things done by progressives are boondoggles, then he must think Marge Schott, John D. Rockefeller, David Duke and Strom Thurmand are just peachy. He has a hang-up about screen names too. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 12:49 PM:

" celt: I've considered the reputation of the source, and think the guy is just a guy who woke up. In this case the personality is nearly mute point.
The presentation is fairly straight forward. Typically a viewer will see full video, in context of radicals who are making policy decisions, promoting anti-American agendas. The host will then state the obvious in the form of a question. No one has debunked any resulting conclusion.
0bama, and the administration's mouth pieces will attack Beck, but will never attempt to refute a single piece of evidence about this administration's possible agenda.
I think I'd confront the so-called charges made by Beck, and or Palin for that matter. "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 12:38 PM:

" Leave it to that witch Anna to pass on words of wisdom from a crackpot like Beck. I only wish the "messenger" left Tom Paine out of it. Poor guy is spinning in his grave. "

Anna D wrote on Nov 20, 2009 12:23 PM:

" The British Death Panel, ironically called "NICE" (a bit of Orwellian brilliance), has just deemed that an effective liver cancer drug is too expensive so if you have liver cancer, you should just die faster. This drug has also been shown effective against kidney cancer, but NICE rejected it for that, too. While some may argue that an additional four months of life isn't worth it, it could be the reprieve needed until a better therapy is discovered, and even if not, it is another 4 months that a child has his parent or grandparent, another 4 months a lover has with his or her partner. But that's not what government run healthcare looks like. Government run healthcare wants you to die as fast as possible. "

gimmesum wrote on Nov 20, 2009 11:58 AM:

" And that, Anna, is a very astute observation. Even if it comes from the mouth of a boob like Beck.

Even Forrest Gump offered up some words of wisdom:) "

celt wrote on Nov 20, 2009 11:57 AM:

" Anna D. you argue that we should "ignore the messenger" but the reputation of the messenger is critical. If, for example, I were to quote Michael Moore, would that not cause you to take a harder look at the quote? So, while we can give some attention to what Beck says, we need to be aware of his reputation for making unfounded extreme statements and for misrepresenting the facts. Credibility is important. If, say Colin Powell were to make the same statement, it would carry more weight with me. When I see you quoting Glenn Beck, I pay less attention because Beck has shown himself to be someone worthy of less (or no) attention. Or to be less charitable, when the village idiot speaks, we do not pay attention. "

Anna D wrote on Nov 20, 2009 11:23 AM:

" macdog: While we can critique Glenn Beck on many fronts (I'm not 100% for him or against him), these words I took from his book (the difference is that the progressives are handcuffing the power of the people and the Founders were handcuffing the power of the government) are not his opinion; they are objective statements about the modus operandi of the progressives and the Founders. They could have been written by any objective reader of history. Ignore the messenger and understand the message is all I'm asking of you. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 10:43 AM:

" The only thing ridiculous is having 911fan as an identity. But you are supplying us with all the verbal trimmings as we prepare for Thanksgiving.
Unless you have something to say aside from compliments, you're dismissed. "

ps911fan wrote on Nov 20, 2009 10:33 AM:

" I'm sure Anna has used up her idiocy offsets with the world by faithfully referring to Glenn Beck as a source of useful information. Once again a RW idiot finds a way to plunge through and find a new bottom.

Harkn's quick list of good things brought to America by progressives was nice. What honestly can you say a GOP/Conservative wingnut brings to America.......besides Eisenhouser and the interstate system AND his acknowledge of a growing war machine, the GOP has wiffed on any accomplishment that helps (not hurts)America. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 10:15 AM:

" An opinion was given, & I agreed. What's the issue?
I'm glad to see you've taken off your skirt though olli T "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 10:07 AM:

" Your entire existence on these boards has been one long, tiresome, fact-challeged rant, s-plumb. Your only comeback seems to be to trot out what you claim is my real name and pepper it with a lot of corkscrew thoughts lifted, no doubt, from the likes of Beck et al. Well, you haven't earned the privelege of knowing me. Since you won't answer my questions, then at least have the courtesy to qualify your response to Harkin with some facts. It's the basis for debate - but hey. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 10:03 AM:

" More and more residents are researching and understanding the issue. Government!
Rasmussen today:
14* Do you agree or disagree with this statement - Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem?

69% Agree
22% Disagree
9% Not sure "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:35 AM:

" mike: These are not questions; you've placed rants with "?" at the end. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:30 AM:

" harkin: you're right. All of these for the most part were boondoggles! Theyre all a HUGE waste of money, and they all chizzle away at our freedoms. "

gimmesum wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:30 AM:

" I also don't agree with the boiling frog comparison. I don't think we are put in the pan (big gov). We jump in. The obvious examples are medicare, public education, social security, civil marriage etc.

What I find amazing is that many of the same people who want limited government in their waning years (ie no death panels) are the same people who hire professionals to help them hide or transfer their assets so government can subsidize any extended care they may need. And more and more will need extended care because fewer and fewer families are willing or able to take care of their own.

And as for Anna's argument in favor of personal achievement just for the sake of ones ego, I would suggest she and others read Anthony Tiatorio's "Ethics in the News" column in yesterdays SC.

I agree America is dying. Actually, in it's current condition, maybe we should give the do not resusitate order, recycle the undamaged organs, and move on. "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:20 AM:

" s-plumb, I see you are still incapable of answering a simple question. Read Agrarian Justice before you mouth off.
Oh, and change the frogs to chickens in that pot :) "

harkin wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:11 AM:

" Darn progressives. They've given us the Civil Works Administration, the Civil Rights Act, Roe v Wade, the Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act, RCRA, Superfund Act, established the Environmental Protection Agency, National Parks Service, passed the Family Leave Act, established the EEOC, etc. Better off if we were left to the likes of Marge Schott, John D Rockefeller, David Duke, and Strom Thurmond, I guess. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 8:28 AM:

" Did the framers have a free ride? Did they all agree? Nope. However they debated the issues openly, not in closed rooms. They followed the balance of power they established the experiment worked.
Look up the enumerated powers granted to congress. They are to be confined by these specific limited authorities. "

s-plumb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 8:17 AM:

" Beck has been the only person breaking news, and he's basically a shock jock. Most of the "news" he presents is in the form of videos of the radicals in and around the administration. These are unapologetic, self proclaimed radicals caught campaining for the most radical agenda we have ever witnessed.
Most of 0bamas stated goal of fundamentally transforming America, is complete. Our fate will be sealed tomorrow. This is the last chance we have of MAKING our senators listen to us. If Reid gets 60 votes to open debate on healthcare tomorrow, there is no means of stopping it's passing.
I guess the only thing I would disagree with is the boiling frog comparison. I think we are all just in shock that no matter how many people (ie the majority of residents) are against this take over; we are not making a difference we'd hoped for.
The hope going forward is our own ability to over come, after the collapse. "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 8:16 AM:

" He stole the title from, well, you know, that other guy.

Read Thomas Paine's "Agrarian Justice". Paine was one of the earliest advocates of progressive taxation, even drawing up tables and rates.
He was also the first proponent of the estate tax, he proposed a democratic ideal to combat poverty and income inequality by taxing the wealthy to give jobs and "grants" to young people. He also proposed using this system to provide government-sponsored pensions for the elderly.
He joined Thomas Jefferson in strongly advocating universal tax-supported public education, believing it was necessary to promote an educated electorate and was a necessary way to combat poverty. He sought a federally guaranteed minimum wage, and long before Woodrow Wilson, Paine urged the establishment of, and US participation in, global organizations to help solve international problems and avoid wars.

So here is my question: After the Treaty of Paris in 1783, why did these freedom-lovin', anti-government americans waste 6 years writing a constitution at all? Why all the cajoling, conferences, congresses, debate among the former colonies to ratify this thing? Why have a government at all? I mean, 1784 presented the perfect opportunity for individuals to reject all government "bondage" and live happily ever after looking out for each one's self-interests? "

mattryan5150 wrote on Nov 20, 2009 7:43 AM:

" macdog: You should read his "Common Sense"- it's surprisingly even-keeled and he takes progressive Democrats and Republicans to task. "

VladsBack!! wrote on Nov 20, 2009 7:22 AM:

" Hey Anna,it's fourth and 2 "

macdog wrote on Nov 20, 2009 4:45 AM:

" I always read your comments Anna, they are always informing. Glenn Beck however, would do or say anything to keep his name in the media and pick up an extra buck. I doubt his veracity. "